Top 32 tournament SS Wagner vs Boudreau

[obxyankeefan]

Top 32 players ranked by BRWAR(as of 6/18/15).

Shortstop Bracket is:

1 H Wagner 8
32 N Garciaparra 0

16 PW Reese 3
17 L Boudreau 6

8 B Dahlen 8
25 A Fletcher 1

9 L Appling 8
24 D Bancroft 0

4 G Davis 6 advances on seed
29 O Vizquel 6

13 B Larkin 7
20 J Sewell 0

5 R Yount 8
28 V Stephens 4

12 A Trammell 14
21 J Tinker 0

3 C Ripken JR 8
30 T Fernandez 2

14 E Banks 10
19 L Aparicio 0

6 O Smith 16
27 J Rollins 1

11 D Jeter 12
22 B Campaneris 1

2 A Rodriguez 9
31 R Peckinpaugh 0

15 J Cronin 5
18 J Glasscock 4

7 B Wallace 5
26 M Tejada 6

10 A Vaughan 8
23 J Fregosi 0

1 H Wagner
17 L Boudreau

8 B Dahlen
9 L Appling

4 G Davis
13 B Larkin

5 R Yount
12 A Trammell

3 C Ripken JR
14 E Banks

6 O Smith
11 D Jeter

2 A Rodriguez
15 J Cronin

26 M Tejada
10 A Vaughan

 

[obxyankeefan]

Honus Wagner Statistics and History | Baseball-Reference.com
Beat Nomar Garciaparra 8-0

Lou Boudreau Statistics and History | Baseball-Reference.com
Beat Pee Wee Reese 6-3

 

[MilkSpiller22]

This is a great one vs 17 matchup... Not sure how Lou Boudreu was ONLY a 17, while being one of the better defensive SS of all time AND having a career .380 OBP... was there really 16 better SS??

But I digress... Wagner is better of course, but it is actually semi-close...

 

[navamind]

This is a great one vs 17 matchup... Not sure how Lou Boudreu was ONLY a 17, while being one of the better defensive SS of all time AND having a career .380 OBP... was there really 16 better SS??

But I digress... Wagner is better of course, but it is actually semi-close...

He had a relatively short career (15 seasons, 1646 games, only 7024 plate appearances) and retired at the age of 34. But in the time he was on the field, he was excellent (42.2 WAA).

WAR is a counting stat. Just because there's 16 shortstops ahead of him doesn't mean he's "the 17th best SS of all-time." Boudreau averaged 6.4 bWAR per 650 PA, which is excellent. For reference, Jeter averaged 4.2 per 650 and Nomar averaged 5.2. Even if you ignore dWAR, you're still talking about a shortstop with .295/.380/.415 (120 OPS+) and is still a ~5 win player.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

He had a relatively short career (15 seasons, 1646 games, only 7024 plate appearances) and retired at the age of 34. But in the time he was on the field, he was excellent (42.2 WAA).

WAR is a counting stat. Just because there's 16 shortstops ahead of him doesn't mean he's "the 17th best SS of all-time." Boudreau averaged 6.4 bWAR per 650 PA, which is excellent. For reference, Jeter averaged 4.2 per 650 and Nomar averaged 5.2. Even if you ignore dWAR, you're still talking about a shortstop with .295/.380/.415 (120 OPS+) and is still a ~5 win player.

I know that, was just giving props to the guy saying he was better than the 17th best... In fact he is the 6 highest WAR7...