Top 3 Cy Young Canidates this year as of now

[broncosmitty]

How many more starts are the starters gonna make? 10 or 11?

Maybe 12 or 13 for a couple guys, but probably about 10 or 11 most every starter.

 

[Hambombs]

Scherzer, King Felix and Masterson in the AL. Colon and Holland hanging around the conversation though. Kershaw, Wainwright and Harvey in the NL. Cliff Lee and Corbin could get in the mix again if Harvey gets forced to put the kid gloves on, which is probably a great idea.

 

[broncosmitty]

Darvish doesn't have the innings to be there, for me.

 

[Hambombs]

Scherzer, King Felix and Masterson in the AL. Colon and Holland hanging around the conversation though. Kershaw, Wainwright and Harvey in the NL. Cliff Lee and Corbin could get in the mix again if Harvey gets forced to put the kid gloves on, which is probably a great idea.

Darvish doesn't have the innings to be there, for me.

He missed a few starts

 

[broncosmitty]

I know.

 

[Hambombs]

I know.

Yu is better than holland, colon, masterson that's not even a question

 

[broncosmitty]

Doesn't matter to me why a pitchers innings are down. Just that they are. Innings pitched, in my opinion is the most important thing a starter can do for his team throughout the season. Strikeouts, groundouts, fly outs, they're all outs. But getting the most, in whatever form you can, stands out to me.

 

[broncosmitty]

Yu is better than holland, colon, masterson that's not even a question

That's nice, but his innings are significantly less. Hard to be better than anyone when you aren't on the mound.

 

[Hambombs]

Doesn't matter to me why a pitchers innings are down. Just that they are. Innings pitched, in my opinion is the most important thing a starter can do for his team throughout the season. Strikeouts, groundouts, fly outs, they're all outs. But getting the most, in whatever form you can, stands out to me.

But.... He still has better numbers than all 3 pitchers I mentioned

 

[Hambombs]

Also getting the strikeouts is probably the most important if you are trying to prevent players in scoring position from scoring

 

[broncosmitty]

But.... He still has better numbers than all 3 pitchers I mentioned

No he doesn't. Like I said, innings trump all. And his innings are very low in comparison to those I listed.

 

[Hambombs]

No he doesn't. Like I said, innings trump all. And his innings are very low in comparison to those I listed.

No he doesn't. Better ERA, more Ks, better opp average innings and wins are bad stats. I think the closer won cy young before. So stop

 

[broncosmitty]

Also getting the strikeouts is probably the most important if you are trying to prevent players in scoring position from scoring

Don't let people get on base in the first place. As in don't walk batters. Which is what Kershaw, Wainwright, Scherzer and Colon do. Limit walks. Darvish has a much higher walk total, and a substantially higher walk rate than those i listed. (Masterson being an outlier, Im not huge on him anyway) A strikeout is just an out. Important sure, but just an out. No different than a pop foul to third.

 

[broncosmitty]

No he doesn't. Better ERA, more Ks, better opp average innings and wins are bad stats. I think the closer won cy young before. So stop

Bad stats eh? If you're out stumping for Yu Darvish they sure are....

 

[Hambombs]

Bad stats eh? If you're out stumping for Yu Darvish they sure are....

Honestly things you can control are better stats like the ones I mentioned

 

[Hambombs]

Don't let people get on base in the first place. As in don't walk batters. Which is what Kershaw, Wainwright, Scherzer and Colon do. Limit walks. Darvish has a much higher walk total, and a substantially higher walk rate than those i listed. (Masterson being an outlier, Im not huge on him anyway) A strikeout is just an out. Important sure, but just an out. No different than a pop foul to third.

He gives way less hits than those guys you mentioned except for Kershaw so it could be considered a wash. And get the fuck out of here with that stuff. Bartolo colon is not a cy young Canidate

 

[Hambombs]

You mention darvish doesn't have enough innings but yet he's like a few innings or tied or better than them if he doesn't miss 2 starts..

 

[broncosmitty]

Lots of walks and less innings than the other leading candidates. He could win, not saying he couldnt. so could five or six other guys if the last two months work out for them. I just view him as trailing a handful of guys right now. And that stance won't change on account of Ks. Unless they come over the course of a bunch of innings during the next two months.

 

[Hambombs]

Lots of walks and less innings than the other leading candidates. He could win, not saying he couldnt. so could five or six other guys if the last two months work out for them. I just view him as trailing a handful of guys right now. And that stance won't change on account of Ks. Unless they come over the course of a bunch of innings during the next two months.

So you're basically saying 8-15 innings is the difference maker?

 

[broncosmitty]

You mention darvish doesn't have enough innings but yet he's like a few innings or tied or better than them if he doesn't miss 2 starts..

But he missed two starts. So I don't see your point. Maybe he gets lucky, Texas has some rainouts and gets his starts back at the expense of Martin Perez, idk. But unless he reaches the innings level of his peers/competition, I'll have to look at him differently than those who sit 20 innings/60 outs ahead. Regardless of the excuse/reason he's trailing.