Top 10 poll: #9 player ever

[LHG]

Yeah it’s weird which names get more love than they should and which get less. Everyone has their own subjective opinion.

I think with Speaker and Hornsby and Young there’s era fatigue. People don’t want to keep voting for numbers on a page instead of people they have seen play or at least seen highlights of (or movies about like Mantle)

But look at the top 4 vote getters in this round - none of them played past 1937. I think Speaker just doesn't seem to get much mention as greatest players of all time in baseball and its odd. At least offensively, he is better than Honus Wagner but Wagner is getting a lot more traction right now than Speaker. I wonder how much of that is hearing how much money a Wagner baseball card went in an auction 25+ years ago. Guys like Henderson (whom I see as a bit overrated, but still very good), Clemens and Ohtani (gag! I'm of the opinion that he shouldn't be anywhere near Top 25 until he's put in at least 5 more really good years) are getting some traction but there is still a general sense that stats and stories from yesteryear aren't really getting boring yet.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

But look at the top 4 vote getters in this round - none of them played past 1937. I think Speaker just doesn't seem to get much mention as greatest players of all time in baseball and its odd. At least offensively, he is better than Honus Wagner but Wagner is getting a lot more traction right now than Speaker. I wonder how much of that is hearing how much money a Wagner baseball card went in an auction 25+ years ago. Guys like Henderson (whom I see as a bit overrated, but still very good), Clemens and Ohtani (gag! I'm of the opinion that he shouldn't be anywhere near Top 25 until he's put in at least 5 more really good years) are getting some traction but there is still a general sense that stats and stories from yesteryear aren't really getting boring yet.

Speaker vs Wagner. It hurts speaker that he would be the 4th CF.

Wagner would be the first ss.

 

[LHG]

Speaker vs Wagner. It hurts speaker that he would be the 4th CF.

Wagner would be the first ss.

I can't help it that a lesser center fielder just got placed on the list.

 

[calsnowskier]

But look at the top 4 vote getters in this round - none of them played past 1937. I think Speaker just doesn't seem to get much mention as greatest players of all time in baseball and its odd. At least offensively, he is better than Honus Wagner but Wagner is getting a lot more traction right now than Speaker. I wonder how much of that is hearing how much money a Wagner baseball card went in an auction 25+ years ago. Guys like Henderson (whom I see as a bit overrated, but still very good), Clemens and Ohtani (gag! I'm of the opinion that he shouldn't be anywhere near Top 25 until he's put in at least 5 more really good years) are getting some traction but there is still a general sense that stats and stories from yesteryear aren't really getting boring yet.

Can you defend Speaker over Wagner? I did a comparison of them a few threads back and found that they were SUPER close, but came to the conclusion that Wagner was better BEFORE giving Wagner the positional bonus.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Can you defend Speaker over Wagner? I did a comparison of them a few threads back and found that they were SUPER close, but came to the conclusion that Wagner was better BEFORE giving Wagner the positional bonus.

Actually if it were between them two I would pick speaker and i don’t think it is very close.

And semi surprised you came up with Wagner. Would have thought your hatred to pre1900s would ding Wagner.

 

[calsnowskier]

I looked back at my study, and found that the one I was thinking of was Hornsby/Wagner/Gehrig. And Hornsby was the best of the three.

Speaker was brought up later in the thread, and I did a QUICK study of Speaker/Hornsby/Wagner and Speaker and Wagner were very close. Hornsby is a notch ahead, so I am not that concerned with the study just yet regarding Speaker v Wagner.

Wagner played from ‘97 - ‘17 while Speaker played from ‘07 - ‘28. They are contemporaries the same way Henderson and Bonds are contemporaries.