POLL Top 10 poll: #20 player ever

[calsnowskier]

1) Babe Ruth (defeated Willie Mays 23-9)
2) Willie Mays (defeated Barry Bonds 26-11)
3) Ted Williams (defeated Barry Bonds 18-17)
4) Barry Bonds (defeated Hank Aaron and Ty Cobb 20-11-8)
5) Hank Aaron (defeated Ty Cobb 17-16)
6) Ty Cobb (defeated Lou Gehrig 24-9)
7) Lou Gehrig (defeated Walter Johnson 19-10)
8) Mickey Mantle (defeated Walter Johnson 17-12)
9) Walter Johnson (defeated Stan Musial and Rogers Hornsby 18-7-3)
10) Stan Musial (defeated Rogers Hornsby 15-10)
11) Rogers Hornsby (defeated H. Wagner, R. Henderson, M. Schmidt and R. Clemens 15-4-3-2-1)
12) Honus Wagner (defeated Roger Clemens 19-8)
13) Mike Schmidt (defeated Roger Clemens 16-12)
14) Rickey Henderson (defeated Roger Clemens 17-13)
15) Roger Clemens (defeated Ken Griffey Jr 16-14)
16) Randy Johnson (defeated Tris Speaker 16-11)
17) Tris Speaker (defeated Greg Maddux 18-12)
18) Greg Maddux (defeated Albert Pujols 17-9)
19) Joe DiMaggio (defeated Albert Pujols 17-13)

Who is the #20 player ever? This poll will close Wednesday AM.

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[LHG]

Updated for #18:
1) Babe Ruth (1914-1935)
2) Willie Mays (1951-1973)
3) Ted Williams (1939-1960)
4) Barry Bonds (1986-2007)
5) Hank Aaron (1954-1976)
6) Ty Cobb (1905-1928)
7) Lou Gehrig (1923-1939)
8) Mickey Mantle (1951-1968)
9) Walter Johnson (1907-1927)
10) Stan Musial (1941-1963)
11) Rogers Hornsby (1915-1937)
12) Honus Wagner (1897-1917)
13) Mike Schmidt (1972-1989)
14) Rickey Henderson (1979-2003)
15) Roger Clemens (1984-2007)
16) Randy Johnson (1988-2009)
17) Tris Speaker (1907-1928)
18) Greg Maddux (1986-2008)

1876-1896 - 0
1897-1904 - 1
1905-1906 - 2
1907-1913 - 4
1914 - 5
1915-1917 - 6
1918-1922 - 5
1923-1927 - 6
1928 - 5
1929-1935 - 3
1936-1937 - 2
1938 - 1
1939 - 2
1940 - 1
1941-1950 - 2
1951-1953 - 4
1954-1960 - 5
1961-1963 - 4
1964-1968 - 3
1969-1971 - 2
1972-1973 - 3
1974-1976 - 2
1977-1978 - 1
1979-1983 - 2
1984-1985 - 3
1986-1987 - 5
1988-1989 - 6
1990-2003 - 5
2004-2007 - 4
2008 - 2
2009 - 1
2010-2024 - 0

Updated for #19:
1) Babe Ruth (1914-1935)
2) Willie Mays (1951-1973)
3) Ted Williams (1939-1960)
4) Barry Bonds (1986-2007)
5) Hank Aaron (1954-1976)
6) Ty Cobb (1905-1928)
7) Lou Gehrig (1923-1939)
8) Mickey Mantle (1951-1968)
9) Walter Johnson (1907-1927)
10) Stan Musial (1941-1963)
11) Rogers Hornsby (1915-1937)
12) Honus Wagner (1897-1917)
13) Mike Schmidt (1972-1989)
14) Rickey Henderson (1979-2003)
15) Roger Clemens (1984-2007)
16) Randy Johnson (1988-2009)
17) Tris Speaker (1907-1928)
18) Greg Maddux (1986-2008)
19) Joe DiMaggio (1936-1951)

1876-1896 - 0
1897-1904 - 1
1905-1906 - 2
1907-1913 - 4
1914 - 5
1915-1917 - 6
1918-1922 - 5
1923-1927 - 6
1928 - 5
1929-1935 - 3
1936-1937 - 3
1938 - 2
1939 - 3
1940 - 2
1941-1950 - 3
1951 - 5
1952-1953 - 4
1954-1960 - 5
1961-1963 - 4
1964-1968 - 3
1969-1971 - 2
1972-1973 - 3
1974-1976 - 2
1977-1978 - 1
1979-1983 - 2
1984-1985 - 3
1986-1987 - 5
1988-1989 - 6
1990-2003 - 5
2004-2007 - 4
2008 - 2
2009 - 1
2010-2024 - 0

 

[LHG]

Mike Trout (CF) 2011 - current
3 MVP, 6 top 5 MVP, ROY, 11 ASG
86.2 WAR, 65.1 WAR7
Bold: R 4, RBI 1, SB 1, BB 3, TB 1, WAR 5

OPS+ buckets
190 - 1
180 - 2
170 - 4
160 - 3

Eddie Collins (2B) 1906-1930 (career was really 1908-1926)
1 MVP, 5 top 5 MVP, 1 top 10 MVP
124.3 WAR, 64.3 WAR7
Bold: SB 4, R 3, WAR 1

OPS+ buckets
190 - 0
180 - 0
170 - 2
160 - 3
150 - 2
140 - 3
130 - 3
120 - 4

Alex Rodriguez (SS-3B) 1994-2016
3 MVP, 3 top 5 MVP, 4 top 10 MVP, 5 down ballot MVP, 14 ASG
117.6 WAR, 64.3 WAR7
Bold: R 5, H 1, 2B 1, HR 5, RBI 2, OPS+ 2, WAR 6

OPS+ buckets
190 - 0
180 - 0
170 - 2
160 - 3
150 - 2
140 - 1
130 - 5
120 - 3

Mel Ott (RF) 1926-1947
2 top 5 MVP, 3 top 10 MVP, 7 down ballot MVP, 11 ASG
110.9 WAR, 53.9 WAR7
Bold: R 2, HR 6, RBI 1, WAR 2

OPS+ buckets
190 - 0
180 - 0
170 - 5
160 - 3
150 - 6
140 - 0
130 - 4

Nap Lajoie (2B) 1896-1916
2 down ballot MVP (introduced late in his career), no ASG were around during his career
106.9 WAR, 60.1 WAR7
Bold: R 1, H 4, 2B 5, HR 1, RBI 3, WAR 6

OPS+ buckets
190 - 3
180 - 0
170 - 1
160 - 3
150 - 2
140 - 3
130 - 4

Frank Robinson (RF-LF) 1956-1976
2 MVP, 4 top 5 MVP, 4 top 10 MVP, 5 down ballot MVP, ROY, 12 ASG
Bold: R 3, 2B 1, HR 1, RBI 1, WAR 1

OPS+ buckets
190 - 1
180 - 1
170 - 1
160 - 4
150 - 6
140 - 2
130 - 2

Jimmie Foxx (1B) 1925-1945
3 MVP, 1 top 5 MVP, 3 top 10 MVP, 4 down ballot MVP, 9 ASG
Bold: R 1, HR 3, RBI 3, WAR 3

OPS+ buckets
190 - 2 (both above 200)
180 - 4
170 - 1
160 - 1
150 - 2
140 - 2
130 - 1

 

[LHG]

Cy Young 1890 - 1911
CY every day of his life (no accolades given during his career)

Bold: ERA 2, K 2, WHIP 7, IP 2, K/BB 11; All Time wins leader

511-315 W-L
2803/1217 K/BB
815/749 GS/CG
7356.0 IP

Lefty Grove 1925 - 1941
1 MVP, 1 top 5 MVP, 2 top 10 MVP, 5 more season w MVP votes (Cy Young Award wasn't yet invented during his career)

Bold: ERA 9, K 6, WHIP 5, IP 0, K/BB 8

300-141 W-L
2266/1187 K/BB
457/298 GS/CG
3940.2 IP

 

[eaglesnut]

Good, now that that's out of the way

No more fucking yankees

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Good, now that that's out of the way

No more fucking yankees

if joe D is a top 20... then Yogi, has to be a top 2 Catcher... so we may see him pretty soon...

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Good, now that that's out of the way

No more fucking yankees

also, interesting little tidbit... Yankees do not have any all time great pitchers... sure, Johnson and Clemens played a good amount as a yankee... but they are not considered yankees...

the best YANKEE pitcher is Whitey Ford... and he aint a top 10 pitcher...

 

[calsnowskier]

also, interesting little tidbit... Yankees do not have any all time great pitchers... sure, Johnson and Clemens played a good amount as a yankee... but they are not considered yankees...

the best YANKEE pitcher is Whitey Ford... and he aint a top 10 pitcher...

He was top 3 or so of his time. He is a legit name to rotate through the options.

But there are a LOT of pitchers who need to get listed before him…

 

[MilkSpiller22]

He was top 3 or so of his time. He is a legit name to rotate through the options.

But there are a LOT of pitchers who need to get listed before him…

I did not request for him to be listed. I am not @Clayton shameless!!

 

[DHoey]

also, interesting little tidbit... Yankees do not have any all time great pitchers... sure, Johnson and Clemens played a good amount as a yankee... but they are not considered yankees...

the best YANKEE pitcher is Whitey Ford... and he aint a top 10 pitcher...

Rivera is one that might spark some interest. Greatest closer of time.....but still just a closer.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Rivera is one that might spark some interest. Greatest closer of time.....but still just a closer.

definitely true... if we were getting good pitching movement, it would be easier to push him... but because he is a reliever, he cant be a top 5 or even a top 10 pitcher... but id have no problem pushing him as a top 20 pitcher of all time... probably even top 15....

 

[Cedrique]

definitely true... if we were getting good pitching movement, it would be easier to push him... but because he is a reliever, he cant be a top 5 or even a top 10 pitcher... but id have no problem pushing him as a top 20 pitcher of all time... probably even top 15....

yeah but he's definitely a "unicorn". He's the best closer of all time and it is not even remotely close. Most closers are up and down. This guy played for the same team for 19 years. Has there ever been another closer or reliever to do that? I would guess there would be more relievers who played for 10 teams than one team. And did he ever have a bad year?

 

[MilkSpiller22]

yeah but he's definitely a "unicorn". He's the best closer of all time and it is not even remotely close. Most closers are up and down. This guy played for the same team for 19 years. Has there ever been another closer or reliever to do that? I would guess there would be more relievers who played for 10 teams than one team. And did he ever have a bad year?

i agree that he is a unicorn... would be a better unicorn if it wasnt for 2001...