To the RG3 diehards..

[TCB]

This season is his do or die chance for proving if he is the future. Wouldn't you want him surrounded by the best oline possible so he can have the best chance to succeed? He developed some very bad habits over the past year, and if these bad tendencies are not corrected this season, he will be gone most probably.
I would like to see what he can do with a very good offensive line.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Of course. As I've said a number of times as one of his last supporters I would love to see him with the Cowboys OL, frankly the thought of him going to a team with a line like that scares the crap out of me, he could light it up. But with that said, and I know where you are going with this, I do not believe they should sell out and over draft OL at the price of passing up better players.

 

[j_y19]

Of course we all want whomever is our QB to have the best OL possible. That's not what the debate centers around. The debate is how to build that line. I'll ask you the same question I asked the others. Would you rather draft the best G in the draft at 5 or trade back 10-12 slots, pick up a mid round second (at a minimum), take the 2nd or 3rd bEst OT in the first, and another really good OL prospect with the extra second pick, thereby filling 2 needs with very good players as opposed to filling one hole with a potential stud? I'll take the latter option every time.

Even if you can't trade back and we take another position at 5, there are still stud OL that will be available to us with the 37th pick.

BTW, RG3s issues were not because he was overly pressured do to a poor OL. His issues is he hung onto the ball too long waiting for a wide open receiver instead of executing the play as designed which calls for him to throw to a spot before the receiver makes his cut. With all of Cousins faults, he did this well, hence his sack ratio was pretty good. So the OL didn't look nearly as bad with KC behind center as opposed to RG3.

 

[Lonewate44]

Of course we all want whomever is our QB to have the best OL possible. That's not what the debate centers around. The debate is how to build that line. I'll ask you the same question I asked the others. Would you rather draft the best G in the draft at 5 or trade back 10-12 slots, pick up a mid round second (at a minimum), take the 2nd or 3rd bEst OT in the first, and another really good OL prospect with the extra second pick, thereby filling 2 needs with very good players as opposed to filling one hole with a potential stud? I'll take the latter option every time.

Even if you can't trade back and we take another position at 5, there are still stud OL that will be available to us with the 37th pick.

BTW, RG3s issues were not because he was overly pressured do to a poor OL. His issues is he hung onto the ball too long waiting for a wide open receiver instead of executing the play as designed which calls for him to throw to a spot before the receiver makes his cut. With all of Cousins faults, he did this well, hence his sack ratio was pretty good. So the OL didn't look nearly as bad with KC behind center as opposed to RG3.

Ok...I gotta call you out...First you are talking about trading back and getting 2 good players to fill a need in a tradeback......then you say there are Studs there with the 37th pick.........

so by what you said.....We can get a stud with our original pick at 5 and get another stud Ol pick in the 2nd.....so......by not trading back and getting an additional 2nd pick...we select a stud G or tackle in the 5 hole and then draft another stud eiter G or T depednign onfirst selection... UM I will take 2 Studs...instead of 3 picks in the first 2 rounds!!! thanks!!!!

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Ok...I gotta call you out...First you are talking about trading back and getting 2 good players to fill a need in a tradeback......then you say there are Studs there with the 37th pick.........

so by what you said.....We can get a stud with our original pick at 5 and get another stud Ol pick in the 2nd.....so......by not trading back and getting an additional 2nd pick...we select a stud G or tackle in the 5 hole and then draft another stud eiter G or T depednign onfirst selection... UM I will take 2 Studs...instead of 3 picks in the first 2 rounds!!! thanks!!!!

Um...you do realize that his scenario would find 2 really good OL and still have an additional 2nd to fill another need right?

 

[Lonewate44]

Um...you do realize that his scenario would find 2 really good OL and still have an additional 2nd to fill another need right?

Yes...But if I can have 2 studs as opposed to a couple good players....I will take the studs....

Believe me...Im not on the Sheriff bandwagon at 5 at all....however...I was pointiing out how you contradicted yourself.......

 

[j_y19]

Um...you do realize that his scenario would find 2 really good OL and still have an additional 2nd to fill another need right?

Exactly. We pick up atleast one more pick in the second, maybe more. So with our second 2nd pick, we could take a 3rd OL or an OLB pass rushing specialist or a secondary guy,etc.

 

[j_y19]

Yes...But if I can have 2 studs as opposed to a couple good players....I will take the studs....

Believe me...Im not on the Sheriff bandwagon at 5 at all....however...I was pointiing out how you contradicted yourself.......

I don't think so. We get 2 OL studs in either scenario (potentially), and an additional really good player. The point is this draft is rife with quality OL. Screrff MAY be the best, but that doesn't mean we still can't get multiple quality players instead of just one.

 

[Sharkinva]

I don't think so. We get 2 OL studs in either scenario (potentially), and an additional really good player. The point is this draft is rife with quality OL. Screrff MAY be the best, but that doesn't mean we still can't get multiple quality players instead of just one.

Or we could just as likely trade down, end up with another Morgan Moses and Josh Lerebius situation and be mad as hell when Scherff is running over our D-line twice a year in New York. Some times MORE is NOT better.

 

[Lonewate44]

I don't think so. We get 2 OL studs in either scenario (potentially), and an additional really good player. The point is this draft is rife with quality OL. Screrff MAY be the best, but that doesn't mean we still can't get multiple quality players instead of just one.

But that was not what was said originally...It was said....we could draft a stud at 5 or trade back and get 2 good players...went on to say we could get Peat in the 2nd and he is a stud.........


So he contradicted himself...saying trade 1 stud for 2 good players...then came back saying we could get a Stud in Peat in the 2nd......

to which I said....well if thats the case....I would rather have the 1 studd in the 1st and a stud in the 2nd...
as opposed to 2 good players and a stud in the 2nd

AS I said ...the poster contradicted himself and I was pointing that out

 

[Lonewate44]

Or we could just as likely trade down, end up with another Morgan Moses and Josh Lerebius situation and be mad as hell when Scherff is running over our D-line twice a year in New York. Some times MORE is NOT better.

Im not agreeing with the Sheriff comment as much as the MORE is NOT better comment....Im not on the bandwagon as much as you and Dad for him.......but i have no problem if we draft him

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

But that was not what was said originally...It was said....we could draft a stud at 5 or trade back and get 2 good players...went on to say we could get Peat in the 2nd and he is a stud.........


So he contradicted himself...saying trade 1 stud for 2 good players...then came back saying we could get a Stud in Peat in the 2nd......

to which I said....well if thats the case....I would rather have the 1 studd in the 1st and a stud in the 2nd...
as opposed to 2 good players and a stud in the 2nd

AS I said ...the poster contradicted himself and I was pointing that out

You do realize that it was j_y, not me, that was "the poster" who you think contradicted himself right?

 

[Lonewate44]

You do realize that it was j_y, not me, that was "the poster" who you think contradicted himself right?

Yep......its all good !!!

 

[chappee11]

Wait. There are RG3 diehards still out there? He's awful. And when he isn't awful, he's injured. I think the ship has sailed on this kid, which is too bad because he looked a future star when he debuted. Seems like 100 years ago, though.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Yep......its all good !!!

I'd just hate to be confused with that knuckle dragger j_y. I'm sure you can understand that. On the Chart of Evolution he's the guy 3rd from the left.

 

[j_y19]

I'd just hate to be confused with that knuckle dragger j_y. I'm sure you can understand that. On the Chart of Evolution he's the guy 3rd from the left.

Hey! I resemble that remark!

 

[j_y19]

Or we could just as likely trade down, end up with another Morgan Moses and Josh Lerebius situation and be mad as hell when Scherff is running over our D-line twice a year in New York. Some times MORE is NOT better.

Well we can play that what if game if you want. We can stay a 5, draft scherff and end up with tony mandarich. I mean, cmon shark. You just never know.

 

[Sharkinva]

Well we can play that what if game if you want. We can stay a 5, draft scherff and end up with tony mandarich. I mean, cmon shark. You just never know.

Sure J-Y... any one we pick could turn out to be a flop. But then doesnt it make more sense to take the player considered a surer bet?? Most of the pass rushers outside of Williams have all been labeled as boom or bust. At worst most think Scherff will be a solid to great O-lineman even if its a guard.

 

[j_y19]

Sure J-Y... any one we pick could turn out to be a flop. But then doesnt it make more sense to take the player considered a surer bet?? Most of the pass rushers outside of Williams have all been labeled as boom or bust. At worst most think Scherff will be a solid to great O-lineman even if its a guard.

That's one way to look at it. Another is to say that we minimize risk by increasing the number of picks in the first 2 rounds. The chance of 3 players flopping is minimal. Oh, and please don't remind me of Davis, Thomas, and Kelly. No way lightening hits twice.

 

[Sharkinva]

Fuck it guys, IM hoping Mariota is there and we take him at #5.