Tim Hightower is visiting the redskins

[ehb5]

No doubt but he as SB's behind him and we don't.

And SM has built several SB winning teams. I'm glad you're starting to see why we shouldn't be ripping on him constantly.

 

[deanpet21]

Deans outright hate of SMGM comes down to one simple thing... the first round of the 2015 draft. The moment we took Scherff over Williams, Dean was sold that the man was a horrid GM.

No it was part of it but not all of it. What about the Steven Paea pickup shark. Explain that one.

 

[deanpet21]

And SM has built several SB winning teams. I'm glad you're starting to see why we shouldn't be ripping on him constantly.

not a totall rip but he deserved to get ripped not a free pass that you guys are giving him.

 

[ehb5]

Deans outright hate of SMGM comes down to one simple thing... the first round of the 2015 draft. The moment we took Scherff over Williams, Dean was sold that the man was a horrid GM.

Basically. I think I've learned my lesson today though. I rarely go down this rabbit hole and today I was reminded why. There's no logic and reason down here.

 

[Sharkinva]

No it was part of it but not all of it. What about the Steven Paea pickup shark. Explain that one.

He made mistakes in free agency, all GMs do. UNlike your hero Bruce though, he is smart enough to cut his losses when something clearly isnt working. Paea wasnt working, he moved on. He didnt try and say well we should hang onto him, just in case.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

That was Sm's first year as Gm. Rumor had it that he had full control over the draft.

Rumor from who? If it came from the Redskins organization then you can't believe a word from them. Beyond that how would the media even know who makes the decisions. They apparently have been fooled for the last several years. Heck - SM was apparently regularly showing up for games & practices drunk yet not one member of the media reported this (& several no doubt would have in a second).

 

[ehb5]

not a totall rip but he deserved to get ripped not a free pass that you guys are giving him.

Nobody's giving him a free pass

 

[Skin'EmAll]

Not one mistake. Sm has made plenty of mistakes but somehow he get a free pass from this board. Im not saying he deserved to get fired but he wasn't a great GM here.

Hey Dean, I like to take your side when it possible to do so. Not sure if you've noticed but your opposition in this thread has admitted Scott made a mistake with the RB situation. I'd even go further and say based on what was available and based on Matt Jones injury history and college production -- it was an epic mistake. But that's what good GMs do, they take a risk. And in case it doesn't work out, they cover their bases -- ex. Rob Kelley.
I will say Scott did a great job while he was here -- as far as changing the culture and putting the team in a position to win. Its too early to say his drafts were total fails. Its also not his fault, he never got a fair deal from the start and Bruce gets jealous if he doesn't get all the credit.

 

[deanpet21]

Rumor from who? If it came from the Redskins organization then you can't believe a word from them. Beyond that how would the media even know who makes the decisions. They apparently have been fooled for the last several years. Heck - SM was apparently regularly showing up for games & practices drunk yet not one member of the media reported this (& several no doubt would have in a second).

When Sm was hired they said he had full control

 

[deanpet21]

Hey Dean, I like to take your side when it possible to do so. Not sure if you've noticed but your opposition in this thread has admitted Scott made a mistake with the RB situation. I'd even go further and say based on what was available and based on Matt Jones injury history and college production -- it was an epic mistake. But that's what good GMs do, they take a risk. And in case it doesn't work out, they cover their bases -- ex. Rob Kelley.
I will say Scott did a great job while he was here -- as far as changing the culture and putting the team in a position to win. Its too early to say his drafts were total fails. Its also not his fault, he never got a fair deal from the start and Bruce gets jealous if he doesn't get all the credit.

many have given Sm a free pass on here. I just disagree he did a great job while he was here. He didn't deserved to get fired but a great job to me is stretching it.

 

[DJ Fieri]

They already have a RB that made Morris expendable.....don't they?

 

[SoCalWizFan]

When Sm was hired they said he had full control

They? As in the Redskins? Hey - I have some prime property in Florida that you might like - interested?

 

[Skin'EmAll]

many have given Sm a free pass on here. I just disagree he did a great job while he was here. He didn't deserved to get fired but a great job to me is stretching it.

I use "great" based on the results. NFC EAST champs and barely missing the playoffs last year.
Back to back winning seasons just doesn't happen in our division. rumor has it, he didn't get to bring in his own people but got stuck with the scouts that were already there. He had to beg for Cousins to start, and was denied a LTD a year ago. So despite, being crippled he excelled. Who knows? maybe even some of his draft plans were tampered with.

 

[deanpet21]

They? As in the Redskins? Hey - I have some prime property in Florida that you might like - interested?

Synder, media, whoever. He had full control at the time of the draft.

 

[Sharkinva]

many have given Sm a free pass on here. I just disagree he did a great job while he was here. He didn't deserved to get fired but a great job to me is stretching it.

He took over a team that had a combined 7 wins the previous two seasons, and had a combined 17 wins over the next two seasons. He convinced the owner, and his bone headed lackey that sticking with the results of a bad trade was a bad idea. So short of winning a Lombardi, what exactly the fuck would you consider a GREAT job in light of what he took over?? Mind you he was apparently STILL dealing with a meddling owner and a bone headed lackey team president. Scot apparently wanted to Sign Kirk shortly after he was made the starter in 2015 to a long term deal. But said named bone head twins were too concerned with hurting the feelings of the failed one.

So again... if Scot didnt do a great job, he did a damn good job... but you are all happy faced emoji for the guy who thinks the best thing to do is win off the field. That shit never gets old. Gus Frerotte probably sent Bruce Flowers after that clip, because it means he wasnt the one to do/say the stupidest thing in redskins history any more.

 

[deanpet21]

I use "great" based on the results. NFC EAST champs and barely missing the playoffs last year.
Back to back winning seasons just doesn't happen in our division. rumor has it, he didn't get to bring in his own people but got stuck with the scouts that were already there. He had to beg for Cousins to start, and was denied a LTD a year ago. So despite, being crippled he excelled. Who knows? maybe even some of his draft plans were tampered with.

But the results didn't come from his players. Came from Sahnnys. Gruden begged for KC to start.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Synder, media, whoever. He had full control at the time of the draft.

I believed that at the time but definitely have my doubts given what has occurred over the last month or so. Do you not believe that it is at least possible that Allen or Gruden had significant input for these picks? Main pt though is that if Snyder made this claim then it mean absolutely nothing since he can never be trusted again.

 

[deanpet21]

He took over a team that had a combined 7 wins the previous two seasons, and had a combined 17 wins over the next two seasons. He convinced the owner, and his bone headed lackey that sticking with the results of a bad trade was a bad idea. So short of winning a Lombardi, what exactly the fuck would you consider a GREAT job in light of what he took over?? Mind you he was apparently STILL dealing with a meddling owner and a bone headed lackey team president. Scot apparently wanted to Sign Kirk shortly after he was made the starter in 2015 to a long term deal. But said named bone head twins were too concerned with hurting the feelings of the failed one.

So again... if Scot didnt do a great job, he did a damn good job... but you are all happy faced emoji for the guy who thinks the best thing to do is win off the field. That shit never gets old. Gus Frerotte probably sent Bruce Flowers after that clip, because it means he wasnt the one to do/say the stupidest thing in redskins history any more.

Bullshit. Why is SM on record saying to KC prove it to me this year(2016) and I will give you a LTD. Sure Sm did get any benefit from Shannys players? lol. yea right.

 

[deanpet21]

I believed that at the time but definitely have my doubts given what has occurred over the last month or so. Do you not believe that it is at least possible that Allen or Gruden had significant input for these picks? Main pt though is that if Snyder made this claim then it mean absolutely nothing since he can never be trusted again.

Of course I cant prove anything. But I think SM had total control over that draft. FWIW the Redskins draft room was not onboard with the Scheff pick. I thought that was documented. I could be wrong

 

[Sharkinva]

But the results didn't come from his players. Came from Sahnnys. Gruden begged for KC to start.

So he gets NO credit for taking a 4-12 roster and winning a Division?? Dude what ever you are smoking, the rest of the world does NOT need to be exposed to it.