The PAC12 THREAD v.2

[smilesid]

Playing a neutral site game is not playing at home no matter how many times you say it. It is for all intents and purposes a neutral site game that is played away from the "home" stadium of both teams. I know you cannot possibly be this stupid, which leads me to believe you must either be the biggest asshole troll on this board or fucking with me intentionally. This is the last time i will respond to you as you appear to be on the same level thought wise as The Authority and not many around here like him either. I made my stance clear and its apparent that you just cannot grasp it.

Look at the numbers of what goes out for the Athletic department at Alabama versus how much of it comes back to them from football revenue plus a profit each year and you will see why its a no brainer to play one Neutral site game per year. The rest of the OOC i have not commented on to you nor will I because you wouldnt grasp that explanation any better than you got this one.

Nope, it is you, my friend who doesn't get it. When we came to Atlanta to play Georgia, they whined like little babies that the Georgia Dome was a "neutral site." Bullshit! It was a home game for them. They had 90% of the stands wearing red, the band, cheerleaders, mascot, friendly PA announcer, you name it. The team bused all of 45 minutes to get there. Boise couldn't afford to take the band, and we fans forked out thousands to get there. Georgia got double the pay out, and was playing in a place they knew well. Neutral site, yeah right.

Now to the finances. A home game is worth anywhere from $6 to $12 million in gate, depending on the school. They don't have to share that with Chick Fil A, ESPN, or any other sponsor. They can pay out a pee wee school half a million, a bigger one a million, and pocket the rest. In contrast, after paying off the sponsors and so on, the SEC school gets a $2 to $4 million payout, plus TV rights, which are, admittedly bigger for a name opponent instead of East Undershirt State. But this doesn't count parking, concessions, local restaurants, hotels, and so on for the home game. A home game is more profitable in terms of pure income.

Nope, the reason for the "neutral" games is simple. 1, they aren't truly neutral. 2, they are easy access for home fans. 3, they get virtual home field advantage with the crowds and familiarity. 4. They can get more media money and better exposure, without having the hassle of going to Michigan, So. Cal, or whatever the big venue for the other school, where they'd be at a disadvantage.

But let me guess, you don't grasp that explanation, do you? Probably because it is correct.

 

[mrwallace2ku]

Grats to both teams on adding more weakness to your schedules.

Both are grand step up to what Bama plays OR just sched one of us and hop on airplane SUCKA!

 

[seahawksfan234]

Talk about a perfect fit with with the Titans. They finally got an Oline and cronic underachiever Chris Johnson bailed to the Jets. He's really been put in a great situation to succeed, but lots will be expected of him right out of the gate. Great to see he didn't get hosed with a bad situation.


Lots of NFL teams helped themselves with PAC talent this weekend.

Agreed. As I said on another thread, if you give Sankey the same amount of carries that Chris Johnson got and Sankey will give the Titans at least 1,200 rushing yards.

 

[Bandwagonbo2]

Nope, it is you, my friend who doesn't get it. When we came to Atlanta to play Georgia, they whined like little babies that the Georgia Dome was a "neutral site." Bullshit! It was a home game for them. They had 90% of the stands wearing red, the band, cheerleaders, mascot, friendly PA announcer, you name it. The team bused all of 45 minutes to get there. Boise couldn't afford to take the band, and we fans forked out thousands to get there. Georgia got double the pay out, and was playing in a place they knew well. Neutral site, yeah right.

Now to the finances. A home game is worth anywhere from $6 to $12 million in gate, depending on the school. They don't have to share that with Chick Fil A, ESPN, or any other sponsor. They can pay out a pee wee school half a million, a bigger one a million, and pocket the rest. In contrast, after paying off the sponsors and so on, the SEC school gets a $2 to $4 million payout, plus TV rights, which are, admittedly bigger for a name opponent instead of East Undershirt State. But this doesn't count parking, concessions, local restaurants, hotels, and so on for the home game. A home game is more profitable in terms of pure income.

Nope, the reason for the "neutral" games is simple. 1, they aren't truly neutral. 2, they are easy access for home fans. 3, they get virtual home field advantage with the crowds and familiarity. 4. They can get more media money and better exposure, without having the hassle of going to Michigan, So. Cal, or whatever the big venue for the other school, where they'd be at a disadvantage.

But let me guess, you don't grasp that explanation, do you? Probably because it is correct.

Tab bit of difference in playing Georgia in Atlanta(which is 69 miles from Athens) and playing Alabama in Atlanta. Bama is not 69 miles away and in a different state totally. Yes i get that Boise has to come all the way by horse and buggy to Atlanta because they cannot afford to fly due to being a new kid on the block and having to finance each season before they play. We all get that Boise is the Little boy down the street with the chip on his shoulder. by the way, you cannot get from Athens to Atlanta in 45 minutes on a bus, car or otherwise, takes a few minutes longer most days and some days it might take many hours depending on traffic.

Yes i get your argument, but your argument does not negate mine that i was making about why a team will play a neutral site game versus a home and home series. My argument was it is about money and recruiting purposes and you stated one of the two in your argument. I will defer the other bullshit you stated(clearly opinion based) as it has no basis for proof. The media approaches teams willing to play these neutral games and tries to setup marquee matchups that sometimes work and sometimes dont. You want teams like Alabama to apologize for being willing to take on a marquee opponent first game of the year instead of playing a home and home, but i wouldnt hold my breathe waiting.

Hard to make a real neutral site game for an Alabama fan, they seem to be everywhere you go in large bunches and if not, they will travel very well. Hell, the last time they played at Duke and Penn State they bought Season tickets and gave away or sold the remainder of the games, just so they could watch one game. I like the one off games, gives the opportunity to play more, different teams over a shorter span than the home and home series.

 

[smilesid]

Tab bit of difference in playing Georgia in Atlanta(which is 69 miles from Athens) and playing Alabama in Atlanta. Bama is not 69 miles away and in a different state totally. Yes i get that Boise has to come all the way by horse and buggy to Atlanta because they cannot afford to fly due to being a new kid on the block and having to finance each season before they play. We all get that Boise is the Little boy down the street with the chip on his shoulder. by the way, you cannot get from Athens to Atlanta in 45 minutes on a bus, car or otherwise, takes a few minutes longer most days and some days it might take many hours depending on traffic.

Nope, wrong on all counts. First, Atlanta & New Orleans are the nearest metro areas from Alabama, which is why playing in either locale is quite easy. Folks routinely make that trip for lots of reasons. At the NASCAR race, I saw thousands of Bamans, interestingly, most of them fitting the stereotype of what I thought prior. Yes, we've heard of airplanes, silly; that's how Boise gets everywhere. 2. I looked it up, it's 59 miles, and with a police escort, which they had, didn't take too long. But you get the point. I also get that you want to split hairs, otherwise you have no argument whatsoever. But I guess that you think that everyone travels like you do, so I'll give you a pass. Now go reshoe those old nags of yours before the misses sends you to town for beans and grits. Or do you have one of those fancy pick em up trucks? [just joking]

 

[4down20]

The fact that some of you think traveling great distances to play some crappy team is somehow a bigger deal than playing multiple quality teams in your own backyard just goes to show how petty and stupid you have to get in order to even remotely say anything negative about the SEC.

What if Alabama traveled all the way to Boise St or Oregon St? You think you are going to win? Nobody would give a shit, and the game @ home vs Auburn or LSU is still going to be a bigger game, that more people are going to care about, and that more people are going to be interested in.

So chew up them moral victories boys, about how these little tiny things are such big deals to you, and how the SEC is ruining college football, because you sure as shit ain't getting anything done on the field.\

And no wizard, it ain't just about the trophy, it's about the season that the trophy results from, the quality games that are actually played and the overall enjoyment of it all. Something I doubt you'll be able to experience in the new future. If being a little bitch about Alabama and the SEC helps you deal with that fact, so be it. I'll be hoping for #16 next year.

 

[mrwallace2ku]

East Undershirt State

LMFAO!...gawd thats funny...8-man football club?

 

[WizardHawk]

lol, same old stupidity from our stoned friend 420.

I like Bama. How many times do I have to say that? You have to keep acting like I don't or it ruins the only thing you have to fight back with. Kind of pathetic actually, but it's something we have come to expect from you lately.

Carry on.

 

[4down20]

lol, same old stupidity from our stoned friend 420.

I like Bama. How many times do I have to say that? You have to keep acting like I don't or it ruins the only thing you have to fight back with. Kind of pathetic actually, but it's something we have come to expect from you lately.

Carry on.

Everyone on these forums likes Bama, that's why so many threads get made about them.

 

[WizardHawk]

Everyone on these forums likes Bama, that's why so many threads get made about them.

This one was about several pac HC's (not mine by the way) expressing their opinion about the SEC's 8 game season in conference. YOU made this about Bama, not I. I've been sticking to the broader discussion about the conferences. You don't like that discussion so you keep making it about Bama or whatever posters team you don't like.

Again, no one is shocked you can't stick to the topic of this thread.

 

[mrwallace2ku]

Tyler Gaffney finally got drafted by the Panthers...always liked that guy, you could hand him the ball 35 times a week, never fumbled and would pound the inside run as well.

Hope to see him do the same on Sundays

 

[smilesid]

The fact that some of you think traveling great distances to play some crappy team is somehow a bigger deal than playing multiple quality teams in your own backyard just goes to show how petty and stupid you have to get in order to even remotely say anything negative about the SEC.

No, it's a proven fact of football. All other things equal, the advantage goes to the home team. Always has, always will. Besides, we don't know how Alabama would do if they did travel, they seldom do. God rest Mal Moore, but the man must have read Fear of Flying and developed a phobia.

Poo Pah it all you want, but SEC teams hardly ever leave the South these days, and never do it late in the season when it's cold and snowy up North. But you want the Northern teams to come there in Aug. & Sept. when it's muggy and hot. Yeah, yeah, you'll have an excuse ready, would expect nothing less.

Because, dear friend, you just don't get it. Some of us try in vain to remind you that fair play includes a fair venue. It's even worse when the best team in the country refuses to go on the road, and smugly schedules teams that couldn't win, even if every Alabama starter simultaneously got food poisoning an hour before kickoff. I mean, really, all those FCS teams, with 65 man rosters? Really?

If your team actually did go to Oregon St. or Boise and actually did clean house, then, yes, you'd have an argument. But that hasn't happened yet, nor will it any time soon.

So real simple, 4down. Grow a pair of balls. Send your AD a letter, phone call, or email. Tell them that you are tired of cowardly scheduling. If enough fans did, they'd listen, after all, you good folks do pay the bills. But you enjoy those East Undershirt State games, don't you? Tell me, did you enjoy cruising elementary school playgrounds when you were in middle school? Yeah, thought so.

 

[mrwallace2ku]

I for one would love to see Bama play Oregon State, we fit their model...mid tier team from a good conference, our head coach played for Bear Bryant and Bama even made a play for Mike Riley as their coach at one point in the past...were linked together already.

Stars all align I say...Let's ink this deal.."West Meets the Beasts from the East"

 

[4down20]

This one was about several pac HC's (not mine by the way) expressing their opinion about the SEC's 8 game season in conference. YOU made this about Bama, not I. I've been sticking to the broader discussion about the conferences. You don't like that discussion so you keep making it about Bama or whatever posters team you don't like.

Again, no one is shocked you can't stick to the topic of this thread.

I wasn't the one that mentioned Alabama in this. Smiles was the first one to do it, got him 5 thumbs up from Pac12 fans - including you.

http://www.sportshoopla.com/forums/4899254-post377.html

I ignored it. Which of course, I was suddenly "owned" by smiles according to all of you.

It was then broken down post by post because I didn't read it. And then I responded.

Then your boy SocalJim went on about Alabama over a few posts. Starting here.

http://www.sportshoopla.com/forums/4902367-post410.html

To which I responded about our schedule outside the 2 years. Hell even Texas fans thought you guys were being dumb.

And then Yeolddonkey got in on the action.

http://www.sportshoopla.com/forums/4902881-post422.html

But of course, couldn't deal with the fact Oregon's schedule is even softer.

And so on.

But I'm not surprised you would try and make it out to be "crazy Alabama fan".

The only thing I mentioned about Alabama until all this was that our schedule was extremely weak last year and this coming yet.

Try again.

 

[4down20]

I for one would love to see Bama play Oregon State, we fit their model...mid tier team from a good conference, our head coach played for Bear Bryant and Bama even made a play for Mike Riley as their coach at one point in the past...were linked together already.

Stars all align I say...Let's ink this deal.."West Meets the Beasts from the East"

I'd rather have a game against a good team.

 

[WizardHawk]

I wasn't the one that mentioned Alabama in this. Smiles was the first one to do it, got him 5 thumbs up from Pac12 fans - including you.

http://www.sportshoopla.com/forums/4899254-post377.html

I ignored it. Which of course, I was suddenly "owned" by smiles according to all of you.

It was then broken down post by post because I didn't read it. And then I responded.

Then your boy SocalJim went on about Alabama over a few posts. Starting here.

http://www.sportshoopla.com/forums/4902367-post410.html

To which I responded about our schedule outside the 2 years. Hell even Texas fans thought you guys were being dumb.

And then Yeolddonkey got in on the action.

http://www.sportshoopla.com/forums/4902881-post422.html

But of course, couldn't deal with the fact Oregon's schedule is even softer.

And so on.

But I'm not surprised you would try and make it out to be "crazy Alabama fan".

The only thing I mentioned about Alabama until all this was that our schedule was extremely weak last year and this coming yet.

Try again.

And what did any of that have to do with me talking about Bama? Nothing. And who keeps bringing up my team? That's right, you do.


Try again.

 

[Olyduck]

Draft picks per school
Arizona 3
Arizona State 3
Cal 2
Colorado 1
Oregon 4
Oregon State 2
Stanford 6
UCLA 5
USC 3
Utah 2
Washington 2
Washington State 1

 

[WizardHawk]

Stanford had a great showing. They must be doing a lot of turnover on their starters with that many.

 

[WizardHawk]

And I love that all of a sudden my giving a thumbs up to smiles means I said what he said.

I've given you thumbs up before without necessarily being fully on your side of something as well.

 

[trojanfan12]

Oh no, I think they are getting it just fine. In order to justify why most SEC teams won't travel outside of the south you and some of your other fans claim it's all about the money. It seems they are too poor to afford to travel and play real games with risk on the road. The team that has the most success in modern football can't afford a real road game. I mean every other power conference can afford them, but not the mighty tide.

I'm sorry, but most of us view that as excuses. The money is only part of it. They are winning titles with less risk than any other team/conference in the nation AND making extra money doing it.

Then your fans tell us our teams are stupid for not doing it too. If we follow what your conference wants out of college football we will all be playing half our schedules every year against high school level talent and having our only decent non home non conference games played at a large venue near us.

Of course if any of us say that's not what we want out of college football we are told we are only complaining because our team isn't as good as your team.

No, I think we all have the SEC rhetoric down quite well thank you.

The problem here is the word afford. When they say they can't afford to travel to another teams stadium, you are assuming that they can't afford it from a financial standpoint.

That's not it at all. It's that they can't afford loss that may occur from travelling to another teams stadium.