The PAC12 THREAD v.2

[Bandwagonbo2]

So a neutral site game is actually an away game? LOL . And a three hour drive is and away game? And only three away games in ten years is a way Alabama football makes money and does it to be financially responsible . LOL.

Does Alabama play at BD stadium when they play in Arlington or Atlanta? answer this and you have the answer to an age old question that has been troubling you apparently. Is it an away game in the sense of being on an opponents home field, no, buts its away from its home field so it is away in a twisted sort of way. Home field advantage does not come into play(which is the point I am making) and thus its an away game of sorts.

And the part about money I dont think you will ever get, apparently you cannot grasp the concept of the economy being bad, state governments feeling the pinch and everyone needing to do their part to help in anyway they can. Saban, Moore(may he rest in peace) and now Battle are in complete agreement that these one off games are money makers and they can play a more diverse group of top teams to start a season rather than not make as much to play an opponent on their home field. Both teams make money, both teams play away from "home" and both teams fans in different areas other than their home area can possibly see a game they might not get to see otherwise without great expense. Sounds like a smart move to me, but then I have always looked at things from a dollars and cents perspective. And like I said, its working if you look at who is a yearly contender for recruits and who is posting profits after the seasons are over also. Sounds like not much of a reason to change it if you follow the "if it aint broke, dont fix it" mentality.

 

[4down20]

I didn't say the Pac was responsible, I said UW was. They got screwed over by the voters in '84 and the champions that year were a mid major that didn't play a single top ranked team the entire year, including their bowl game. That outraged many across the nation, not just our school. And then '92. Having co-champions isn't acceptable and while things were heating up over those discussions that happened.

Lots of teams got screwed over before the BCS

Didn't I say in that very post that the Pac and Big held back the talks about the BCS? You are throwing things in my face that I already said. I mean you can read can't you?

I don't see you constantly crying about them.

Great. The SEC was helpful in leading us toward a playoff. Happy? It still doesn't have anything to do with this topic, but since that was your latest way to avoid it I said I'd appease you. Do you feel appeased?

avoiding what exactly? Nothing has been avoided, what has been done is to point out that what you blame the SEC for is actually worse for others.

There is no hypocrisy here 420. NONE. In order for there to be someone would have to be blaming something on you that they don't acknowledge for themselves. Show me where we have denied our schedules or what parts of it they have control over. Go ahead. GO AHEAD. You can't. This is the same stupid lame ass stuff you keep trying to pull that simply isn't going to work. LEARN TO READ

You blamed the SEC for your schedule multiple times earlier, claiming shit about how it's up to the SEC and those at the top to fix things for you.

To even say everything is being blamed on the SEC is a stretch at best and only indirectly at that. The blame is on the sport as a whole. The ranking system that gives too much credit from last year or bygone eras. The entirely broken NCAA and their utter failure to either maintain standards or even just keep everyone on the same page. The networks and their growing influence on the scheduling at a minimum and alleged more involvement. How about the pussification of the rules in the name of safety.

There are lots of things that need to be changed to protect this sport or get it back on track. The playoffs are a good thing and one of the few that can be said that have come along in recent years.

As fans there are a number of things we are less than thrilled about. The odd thursday games were ok, but now there are way too many of them. Same with night games. I think UW had two day games last year? That's fucking ridiculous, but the money of the new network says there will be more of that, not less. Shall I keep airing out the rest of the laundry? Or can we just stick to the part that THIS thread was aimed at and stop using so many generalizations that are way off base? My sense is the answer is no. You simply can't stay on topic here.

Right, yes you can keep talking about the "7 conference losses" if you want I guess.

 

[trojanfan12]

Which fan base is getting soaked exactly??
During the 16 years of the BCS era, Boise State has played Oregon once, Washington St. twice, Oregon St. twice, in Boise; that's it, that's all, and it's questionable that you can count WSU or OSU as teams your fans are anxious to see. Generous to say the least. Throw in the likes of Tennessee-Martin and Cal St.-Sacramento and you end up with pathetic.

Match that up with conference games with Nevada, Wyoming, New Mexico, and we have to ask......
Which team is fucking their fan base over more????

 

[4down20]

4 neutral site games in 10 years? Usually not more than an hour travel time? LOL. Yeah, that drastically changes the conversation (not). They must have been so tired on those one hour flights. LOL.

I just checked where these "neutral games " where held. 2 in Arlington Texas and 2 a three hour drive to Atlanta. LOL. It must have been a bitch getting your fan base to attend that "neutral " game. A three hour drive home after the game. The horror. LOL.

Oh, so it's about fans showing up.

I guess when Ohio St played Cal last year, it wasn't really an away game for them because Ohio St had more fans at the game than Cal fans.

 

[4down20]

Well that's the hope. Marry that with the SEC going to 9 IC's and the other power conferences that aren't already 9 and there may be hope we all get better games. I mean there might be less teams going bowling, but do we really need 35+ games anyway? Going bowling used to mean something. Now it's handed out like participation trophies for little league.

The SEC isn't going to 9.

It will never happen, they ain't dumb.

 

[WizardHawk]

Lots of teams got screwed over before the BCS

And that doesn't change the point that both of those season ending titles made major inroads to the changes that came.

I don't see you constantly crying about them.

What is there to complain about? Everyone agrees the RB problem slowed things down and has been a problem at every step of change since. You want someone to argue when no one disagrees?

avoiding what exactly? Nothing has been avoided, what has been done is to point out that what you blame the SEC for is actually worse for others.

Which ignores what has been said as usual. The fact you are still saying 'blame the SEC' is clear proof you are either retarded or can't read. Maybe you can start with that.

You blamed the SEC for your schedule multiple times earlier, claiming shit about how it's up to the SEC and those at the top to fix things for you.

If that's what you take away from what was said you really are dumb. Saying change won't come unless the SEC is involved in it is not the same thing as saying everything is their fault. That's you projecting again. Everyone's to blame. The SEC just perfected exploiting it and do it better than the rest. You are the one that injects more into that than what is actually said.

Right, yes you can keep talking about the "7 conference losses" if you want I guess.

And you can keep trying to change the topic to avoid the conversation of this thread if you want I guess.

The SEC isn't going to 9.

It will never happen, they ain't dumb.

Right, well apparently your head coach is then.

 

[LawDawg]

The SEC isn't going to 9.

It will never happen, they ain't dumb.

Never say never. I can see it happening in two ways:

- The need for SEC Network drives enough revenue to make it so they can't afford not to.
- If an SEC team gets left out of the playoffs because SOS where had they played 9 IC games they would have gotten in.

 

[smilesid]

Which fan base is getting soaked exactly??
During the 16 years of the BCS era, Boise State has played Oregon once, Washington St. twice, Oregon St. twice, in Boise; that's it, that's all, and it's questionable that you can count WSU or OSU as teams your fans are anxious to see. Generous to say the least. Throw in the likes of Tennessee-Martin and Cal St.-Sacramento and you end up with pathetic.

Match that up with conference games with Nevada, Wyoming, New Mexico, and we have to ask......
Which team is fucking their fan base over more????

outofyourmind, you are a well named fellow. Are you kidding? Boise State has been the best team in the nation to cheer for this century. Keep in mind, Boise is a small city sort of in the middle of nowhere that went from JC National Champ, 1aa National Champ, and now a thorn in the side of a lot of big name programs. All this on a budget a quarter the size of your Sooners. Oh, speaking of getting f*d, one of the best experiences in my life is watching all those crimson clad OU fans filing out of the Fiesta Bowl after getting a big one from my little old Broncos. Would you like me to remind you of that game?

As a BSU fan, my travel schedule covers the country. Every other year, we go to Hawaii, Vegas, San Diego, and the beauty of the Mountain West, pretty country in the autumn. And you guys get to tour the dust bowl. And every year, we get a great 2nd bowl game to open the season. I've been to Atlanta and know exactly how Gen. Sherman felt when we creamed Georgia. We took over DC, defeating VT, Eugene clocking the Ducks, and even in defeat, saw E. Lansing, Seattle, and lots of other places. This year, we'll play at UConn, and open with Ole Miss in Atlanta.

Keep in mind, Boise plays teams with similar budgets, similar players, and similar lack of respect from big school fans who think that the name on the jersey means more than the player inside it. And most of the time, Boise cleans house. Have you ever been to a game on the Blue. Of course not, OU isn't willing to do a home & home, but that's changing. We will be having more and more visitors here. Why not, we'll treat you to a great weekend with our Idaho hospitality, and then teach you a lesson about how we play football out here. So when will we be seeing the boomer schooner in Boise.

Yeah, didn't think so.

 

[TheLonestarDUCK]

Never say never. I can see it happening in two ways:

- The need for SEC Network drives enough revenue to make it so they can't afford not to.
- If an SEC team gets left out of the playoffs because SOS where had they played 9 IC games they would have gotten in.

This

 

[TheLonestarDUCK]

I don't care where USC kicks the crap out of some North Division weak sister in the PAC-12 CCG. Levi's stadium, a parking lot or the backyard at Mamba's house. We're kickin' alla yer asses!!

BITCHES!!

How many PAC Championships has the south won?

 

[RegentDenali]

PAC12 players taken so far after two days of the draft.

1 (9) OLB Anthony Barr, UCLA - Vikings
1 (20) WR Brandin Cooks, OSU - Saints
1 (27) SS Deone Bucannon, WSU - Cardinals
2(33) OG Xavier Su'u-Filo, UCLA - Texans
2(38) TE Austin Seferian-Jenkins, Washington - Bucs
2(39) WR Marqise Lee, USC - Jags
2(45) WR Paul Richardson, Colo - Seahawks
2(47) OLB Trent Murphy, Stanford - Redskins
2(53) RB Bishop Sankey, Washington - Titans
3(70) C Marcus Martin, USC - 49ers
3(72) DE Scott Crichton, OSU - Vikings
3(82) DT Will Sutton, ASU - Bears
3(86) WR Josh Huff, Oregon - Eagles
3(98) TE Richard Rodgers, Cal - Packers

 

[seahawksfan234]

Saints trade up from 27th to 20th to take Brandin Cooks. Cooks on that turf with Brees throwing the rock = perfect situation to succeed.

Brandin Cooks is a perfect fit for that offense. IMO New Orleans was the best place for him to succeed in the NFL.

 

[RegentDenali]

Did anyone else notice David Yankey from Stanford hasn't been taken yet?

That drop seems kind of severe as some where projecting him as a 2nd round guy with most of the analysts just a few weeks ago.

 

[TheLonestarDUCK]

PAC12 players taken so far after two days of the draft.

1 (9) OLB Anthony Barr, UCLA - Vikings
1 (20) WR Brandin Cooks, OSU - Saints
1 (27) SS Deone Bucannon, WSU - Cardinals
2(33) OG Xavier Su'u-Filo, UCLA - Texans
2(38) TE Austin Seferian-Jenkins, Washington - Bucs
2(39) WR Marqise Lee, USC - Jags
2(45) WR Paul Richardson, Colo - Seahawks
2(47) OLB Trent Murphy, Stanford - Redskins
2(53) RB Bishop Sankey, Washington - Titans
3(70) C Marcus Martin, USC - 49ers
3(72) DE Scott Crichton, OSU - Vikings
3(82) DT Will Sutton, ASU - Bears
3(86) WR Josh Huff, Oregon - Eagles
3(98) TE Richard Rodgers, Cal - Packers

IMHO -- Sankey will be a great pro

 

[RegentDenali]

IMHO -- Sankey will be a great pro

Talk about a perfect fit with with the Titans. They finally got an Oline and cronic underachiever Chris Johnson bailed to the Jets. He's really been put in a great situation to succeed, but lots will be expected of him right out of the gate. Great to see he didn't get hosed with a bad situation.


Lots of NFL teams helped themselves with PAC talent this weekend.

 

[socaljim242]

Oh, so it's about fans showing up.

I guess when Ohio St played Cal last year, it wasn't really an away game for them because Ohio St had more fans at the game than Cal fans.

No. If you go on the road and play an actual team in their own stadium and their fan base is pathetic and doesn't show and yours does it's still a road game. If you schedule a team two-three states away at a stadium a three hour drive away from your school it's a cowardly neutral game . But you want to call that an away game.lol. Good lord you are full of excuses. Face it . Alabama has only played 3 OCC road games in ten years . That's pathetic and cowardly and your reasoning/excuse is just as pathetic . Poor Alabama just cant afford to travel. . Never mind they have probably the biggest budget for its football team of any school any where and pays it's coach the most also. Poor Alabama just can't afford to play too far away. LOL

 

[smilesid]

Let's discuss "neutral" field games.

Is it a "neutral" game when one team travels 2300 miles, and the other makes a quick drive down the freeway? The SEC has this one down to a science. More often than not, if an SEC school doesn't do a home and home deal, they insist on these lopsided "neutral field" games. It's not even debatable, SEC schools seldom leave the South to play ANY games, but they insist that anyone playing them come to the South. I'm not a meteorologist, but the South is hot and muggy in August and Sept., a Northern team will be at a disadvantage, just like if a Southern team went north in December into the cold and snow.

Alabama plays lots of games in Atlanta, for example, so does Georgia, since the SEC Championship game is held there and Chik Fil-A hosts two season opening games there as well. The players know the field, and it is easy for fans to get there. On the other hand, the team they play in these contests are not familiar with the venue, and their fans must buy plane tickets and rent motel rooms. As a result, the crowd is overwhelmingly in favor of the SEC school, in the case of my team, 7 or 8 to 1.

But our SEC homer friends call these "away" games.

Whatever.

 

[Bandwagonbo2]

No. If you go on the road and play an actual team in their own stadium and their fan base is pathetic and doesn't show and yours does it's still a road game. If you schedule a team two-three states away at a stadium a three hour drive away from your school it's a cowardly neutral game . But you want to call that an away game.lol. Good lord you are full of excuses. Face it . Alabama has only played 3 OCC road games in ten years . That's pathetic and cowardly and your reasoning/excuse is just as pathetic . Poor Alabama just cant afford to travel. . Never mind they have probably the biggest budget for its football team of any school any where and pays it's coach the most also. Poor Alabama just can't afford to play too far away. LOL

I would love for you to show all of us where anyone has said this. What has been stated is that its a win/win for a neutral game and both teams get big money payouts versus one getting its costs paid for and the other getting a home game take. Let me ask you this, do you show up for work everyday to get paid strictly for your costs or do you want to be paid a fee/wage that better suits your budget and finances? I wont wait for an answer because I know what it should be and hope you're smart enough to want the latter(although I am starting to think otherwise with your recent posts)

You cannot seem to grasp the concept of money trumps all and in these days of shitty economy due to numerous reasons, state run school are being asked to cut back. While some are doing so, The University of Alabama has found a way to not have that instance happen for them and is making full use of its ability to continue to stay in contention for titles and great bowl games. Your thought on it being cowardly clearly shows a lack of understanding of the situation and truthfully, a really big chip on the old shoulder from some perceived slight in your past possibly. In the end we have you and Smiles who clearly are in the same boat, lets hope it doesnt meet a Titanic like ending.

 

[mrwallace2ku]

PAC12 players taken so far after two days of the draft.

1 (9) OLB Anthony Barr, UCLA - Vikings
1 (20) WR Brandin Cooks, OSU - Saints
1 (27) SS Deone Bucannon, WSU - Cardinals
2(33) OG Xavier Su'u-Filo, UCLA - Texans
2(38) TE Austin Seferian-Jenkins, Washington - Bucs
2(39) WR Marqise Lee, USC - Jags
2(45) WR Paul Richardson, Colo - Seahawks
2(47) OLB Trent Murphy, Stanford - Redskins
2(53) RB Bishop Sankey, Washington - Titans
3(70) C Marcus Martin, USC - 49ers
3(72) DE Scott Crichton, OSU - Vikings
3(82) DT Will Sutton, ASU - Bears
3(86) WR Josh Huff, Oregon - Eagles
3(98) TE Richard Rodgers, Cal - Packers

Vikes are really having a good draft this year in my OP. Where is Jahii when ya wanna prove a point and mock him about D-lines and their draft values?

 

[Bandwagonbo2]

Let's discuss "neutral" field games.

Is it a "neutral" game when one team travels 2300 miles, and the other makes a quick drive down the freeway? The SEC has this one down to a science. More often than not, if an SEC school doesn't do a home and home deal, they insist on these lopsided "neutral field" games. It's not even debatable, SEC schools seldom leave the South to play ANY games, but they insist that anyone playing them come to the South. I'm not a meteorologist, but the South is hot and muggy in August and Sept., a Northern team will be at a disadvantage, just like if a Southern team went north in December into the cold and snow.

Alabama plays lots of games in Atlanta, for example, so does Georgia, since the SEC Championship game is held there and Chik Fil-A hosts two season opening games there as well. The players know the field, and it is easy for fans to get there. On the other hand, the team they play in these contests are not familiar with the venue, and their fans must buy plane tickets and rent motel rooms. As a result, the crowd is overwhelmingly in favor of the SEC school, in the case of my team, 7 or 8 to 1.

But our SEC homer friends call these "away" games.

Whatever.

Smiles, I would imagine most teams would be a 7 or 8 to 1 ratio against yours in fanbase no matter where you played outside the great state of Ihadaho