The PAC12 THREAD v.2

[7Samurai13]

Well, you get the point.

I know. Michigan State for the longest time has been a major offender of signing one decent game (Notre Dame) and three crap games (but at least they were not FCS schools until about 6-7 years ago). I called them out on it back during the ESPN days. I was really looking forward to 2016 when Michigan State played Notre Dame and Alabama and one local school. But now its going to be two crap schools and Notre Dame.

 

[WizardHawk]

Wrong, the Pac12 and Big10 especially have always voted against any such changes to these things because they didn't want anything to interfer with the Rose Bowl. No matter if you want to admit it or not, the Rose Bowl has been the #1 thing behind stopping progress in college football ever since the Pac12 decided it was tired of getting it's ass whooped by the SEC way back before any of us were born and only allowed the Big10 to play in it.

I didn't say the Pac was responsible, I said UW was. They got screwed over by the voters in '84 and the champions that year were a mid major that didn't play a single top ranked team the entire year, including their bowl game. That outraged many across the nation, not just our school. And then '92. Having co-champions isn't acceptable and while things were heating up over those discussions that happened.

Didn't I say in that very post that the Pac and Big held back the talks about the BCS? You are throwing things in my face that I already said. I mean you can read can't you?

As for the playoffs specifically. The SEC has been pushing for a playoff since at least 2003. In that time, the only other conference to vote in favor of a playoff was the ACC. The other conferences all voted against the playoff until after the 2011 season when the NCG ended up as LSU vs Alabama. So not only was the SEC and ACC the only conferences in favor of the playoffs, it took the SEC completely taking over the NCG to get the other conferences to budge.

Great. The SEC was helpful in leading us toward a playoff. Happy? It still doesn't have anything to do with this topic, but since that was your latest way to avoid it I said I'd appease you. Do you feel appeased?

What exactly is my position to defend here? All I've been doing is pointing out that for all of you who bitch and blame the SEC, your teams are actually worse at these things in general. You're all a bunch of hypocrites pointing fingers at everyone else.

Law, here is proof that what you say is so obvious that it need not be said doesn't hold for everyone.

No matter how many times it is explained, people like this simply can't/won't acknowledge it.

There is no hypocrisy here 420. NONE. In order for there to be someone would have to be blaming something on you that they don't acknowledge for themselves. Show me where we have denied our schedules or what parts of it they have control over. Go ahead. GO AHEAD. You can't. This is the same stupid lame ass stuff you keep trying to pull that simply isn't going to work. LEARN TO READ

To even say everything is being blamed on the SEC is a stretch at best and only indirectly at that. The blame is on the sport as a whole. The ranking system that gives too much credit from last year or bygone eras. The entirely broken NCAA and their utter failure to either maintain standards or even just keep everyone on the same page. The networks and their growing influence on the scheduling at a minimum and alleged more involvement. How about the pussification of the rules in the name of safety.

There are lots of things that need to be changed to protect this sport or get it back on track. The playoffs are a good thing and one of the few that can be said that have come along in recent years.

As fans there are a number of things we are less than thrilled about. The odd thursday games were ok, but now there are way too many of them. Same with night games. I think UW had two day games last year? That's fucking ridiculous, but the money of the new network says there will be more of that, not less. Shall I keep airing out the rest of the laundry? Or can we just stick to the part that THIS thread was aimed at and stop using so many generalizations that are way off base? My sense is the answer is no. You simply can't stay on topic here.

 

[WizardHawk]

In before the la la la, didn't read it. You're just jealous because your team sucks and mine doesn't reply...

 

[outofyourmind]

Hey, at least Michigan State is man enough to say screw the money, we will go and kick your ass in Boise foor our fans. What's your excuse? Afraid of the Statue of Liberty?

Oklahoma under Bob Stoops;
1 and Done's not played in Norman; Notre Dame and BYU
Home/Home series played;
Air Force
Tulsa
Cinncinati
TCU
UTEP

Future Schedule Home/Home series;
Tulsa
UTEP
Army

Oklahoma Home/Home series with 'known teams' under Bob;
Alabama
UCLA
Oregon
Washington
Miami
Florida State
Notre Dame

Oklahoma isn't lacking with the way it schedules especially when it comes to the 'little guys'.

I'm not sure if I got them all but here's a list of all the 'nobody teams' MSU has played away from home in the BCS era
1) Central Michigan.

Yep, that's it.

 

[7Samurai13]

Oklahoma under Bob Stoops;
1 and Done's not played in Norman; Notre Dame and BYU
Home/Home series played;
Air Force
Tulsa
Cinncinati
TCU
UTEP

Future Schedule Home/Home series;
Tulsa
UTEP
Army

Oklahoma Home/Home series with 'known teams' under Bob;
Alabama
UCLA
Oregon
Washington
Miami
Florida State
Notre Dame

Oklahoma isn't lacking with the way it schedules especially when it comes to the 'little guys'.

I'm not sure if I got them all but here's a list of all the 'nobody teams' MSU has played away from home in the BCS era
1) Central Michigan.

Yep, that's it.

It's a joke man.

 

[outofyourmind]

It's a joke man.

It is now all of a sudden I think.

 

[7Samurai13]

It is now all of a sudden I think.

You must not notice that 90% of what I post is jokes.

 

[4down20]

First off some teams( take your pick) wont play any road non conference games far from home especially against a team known to knock off bigger opponents and never more than one. last ten years how many times has Bama gone to play a road game against even a middle of the road school *** That they didn't have to ( non conference). I'm sure that's gonna be a huge list.

Alabama just did a home and home with Penn St in 2010 and 2011. And the year that we had Penn St at home in that series, we went and played @ Duke.

Other than that, we pretty much open every year with a decent team in a neutral site game, unless we have a home and home. Virginia Tech lost a bit since they did when we scheduled them vs when we played them last year, but they were for awhile a top10 team most years, top15-20 at worse. And when we scheduled WVU they were a much better team as well - good enough for the Big12 to pick them up.

So that's just in the past 3 years, 4 years counting this upcoming season.

Alabama's schedule last year was not good, and it's not good right now this coming year either and I'm the first to say it. But the years before that were packed with some of the most difficult schedules in college football. Yes a lot of that strength comes in conference - which means that it's there year after year. The reason it wasn't that hot last year is because Arkansas is down, Texas A&M was a little down, LSU was a little down and we didn't play any good teams from the SEC East. On top of that, OOC we had VT that was down and quite frankly were doing too many favors to smaller schools we had ties with like Colorado St, who's new coach is our old OC. It was an overall down year for the SEC last year, no doubt about it.

This coming year our schedule is looking weak because we don't know how strong the SEC is going to be next year, and if we assume it's going to be the same, then you've got all those in conference games that are down, and then from the SEC east we have Florida who was down last year and our "Big" OOC game this coming year is WVU who has been down themselves for the past few years. That's why scheduling games years in advance sucks, but it is what it is. While it currently appears that Alabama's schedule this coming year is overall weak(I have it ranked @ #62, and back 2 years ago they were usually top30/20), it could still end up being one of the toughest in the country if the teams on the schedule were back to the strength they were just 4 years ago.

So if you got anything quality to say, let me know. Thus far you have been constantly wrong about everything you post.

 

[UTVolCountry]

I don't think teams are going to start scheduling better OOC teams until they're forced to. UK & Vandy have been scheduling cupcakes for years. Win those four OOC games & two Conference games...and boom, you're in a Bowl game. Fans are happy.

 

[mcnabb7542]

Should be a good day in the draft for the Pac 12....

 

[Texas Jefe]

I don't think teams are going to start scheduling better OOC teams until they're forced to. UK & Vandy have been scheduling cupcakes for years. Win those four OOC games & two Conference games...and boom, you're in a Bowl game. Fans are happy.

I think this is true for many teams. But I think for the top level teams, they are going to be forced to schedule better OOC games by the committee for the playoffs. May not happen for awhile, but I'm thinking it will eventually.

 

[socaljim242]

Alabama just did a home and home with Penn St in 2010 and 2011. And the year that we had Penn St at home in that series, we went and played @ Duke.

Other than that, we pretty much open every year with a decent team in a neutral site game, unless we have a home and home. Virginia Tech lost a bit since they did when we scheduled them vs when we played them last year, but they were for awhile a top10 team most years, top15-20 at worse. And when we scheduled WVU they were a much better team as well - good enough for the Big12 to pick them up.

So that's just in the past 3 years, 4 years counting this upcoming season.

Alabama's schedule last year was not good, and it's not good right now this coming year either and I'm the first to say it. But the years before that were packed with some of the most difficult schedules in college football. Yes a lot of that strength comes in conference - which means that it's there year after year. The reason it wasn't that hot last year is because Arkansas is down, Texas A&M was a little down, LSU was a little down and we didn't play any good teams from the SEC East. On top of that, OOC we had VT that was down and quite frankly were doing too many favors to smaller schools we had ties with like Colorado St, who's new coach is our old OC. It was an overall down year for the SEC last year, no doubt about it.

This coming year our schedule is looking weak because we don't know how strong the SEC is going to be next year, and if we assume it's going to be the same, then you've got all those in conference games that are down, and then from the SEC east we have Florida who was down last year and our "Big" OOC game this coming year is WVU who has been down themselves for the past few years. That's why scheduling games years in advance sucks, but it is what it is. While it currently appears that Alabama's schedule this coming year is overall weak(I have it ranked @ #62, and back 2 years ago they were usually top30/20), it could still end up being one of the toughest in the country if the teams on the schedule were back to the strength they were just 4 years ago.

So if you got anything quality to say, let me know. Thus far you have been constantly wrong about everything you post.

Thanks for a ton of words that didn't answer my question. Oh and 2010-2011 isn't "just did". LOL. How many OCC road games did Alabama take anywhere close to leaving their part of the country ( at least far enough that there was some sort of travel time involved)?

2013- 0
2012-0
2011-1 (penn st)
2010-1 (Duke)
2009-0
2008-0
2007-1 (Fl St) (Sabans first year)
2006-0
2005-0
2004-0

Congrats . In 10 years Alabama played THREE OCC games on the road total. Never mind actually travel to play them they didn't even play them. Look I'm not saying the actual team wasn't good . The truth is Sabans teams have been amazing but that scheduling is pathetic.

 

[4down20]

Thanks for a ton of words that didn't answer my question. Oh and 2010-2011 isn't "just did". LOL. How many OCC road games did Alabama take anywhere close to leaving their part of the country ( at least far enough that there was some sort of travel time involved)?

2013- 0
2012-0
2011-1 (penn st)
2010-1 (Duke)
2009-0
2008-0
2007-1 (Fl St) (Sabans first year)
2006-0
2005-0
2004-0

Congrats . In 10 years Alabama played THREE OCC games on the road. Look I'm not saying the actual team wasn't good . The truth is Sabans teams have been amazing but that scheduling is pathetic.

Cool, I'll be sure to count neutral site games as home games for Alabama in my future rankings.

 

[WizardHawk]

I think this is true for many teams. But I think for the top level teams, they are going to be forced to schedule better OOC games by the committee for the playoffs. May not happen for awhile, but I'm thinking it will eventually.

Well that's the hope. Marry that with the SEC going to 9 IC's and the other power conferences that aren't already 9 and there may be hope we all get better games. I mean there might be less teams going bowling, but do we really need 35+ games anyway? Going bowling used to mean something. Now it's handed out like participation trophies for little league.

 

[socaljim242]

Cool, I'll be sure to count neutral site games as home games for Alabama in my future rankings.

4 neutral site games in 10 years? Usually not more than an hour travel time? LOL. Yeah, that drastically changes the conversation (not). They must have been so tired on those one hour flights. LOL.

 

[socaljim242]

Cool, I'll be sure to count neutral site games as home games for Alabama in my future rankings.

I just checked where these "neutral games " where held. 2 in Arlington Texas and 2 a three hour drive to Atlanta. LOL. It must have been a bitch getting your fan base to attend that "neutral " game. A three hour drive home after the game. The horror. LOL.

 

[Bandwagonbo2]

I just checked where these "neutral games " where held. 2 in Arlington Texas and 2 a three hour drive to Atlanta. LOL. It must have been a bitch getting your fan base to attend that "neutral " game. A three hour drive home after the game. The horror. LOL.

Arlington is better than 9 hours away by car and atleast a three hour flight. Must be hard to explain that one away as a home game or you would have scoffed at it too huh?

Anything not on the grounds of Bryant Denny stadium is considered an away opportunity in my book and only by the grace of home and away stats for actual usage at the games does one not think that way. Neutral site games are revenue gold mines and its no doubt one of the main reasons Alabama's football team makes as much as it does...and it doesnt hurt recruiting purposes either(6 of 7 top spot yearly recruiting rankings tells the tale). Dont like the way Bama schedules, tough shit, but all one has to do is look at revenue and recruiting to see who who's plan is working best for them and who's isnt.

 

[socaljim242]

Arlington is better than 9 hours away by car and atleast a three hour flight. Must be hard to explain that one away as a home game or you would have scoffed at it too huh?

Anything not on the grounds of Bryant Denny stadium is considered an away opportunity in my book and only by the grace of home and away stats for actual usage at the games does one not think that way. Neutral site games are revenue gold mines and its no doubt one of the main reasons Alabama's football team makes as much as it does...and it doesnt hurt recruiting purposes either(6 of 7 top spot yearly recruiting rankings tells the tale). Dont like the way Bama schedules, tough shit, but all one has to do is look at revenue and recruiting to see who who's plan is working best for them and who's isnt.[/QUOTE

Dude BOTH teams had to go to travel to those two games ( yeah just two) so quit acting like it was an away game for Bama. Its a Neutral game your "book" doesn't count . Oh and a three hour drive isn't an away game when the other team is getting on a plane and crossing two states to the other side of another to get there. At least at the Rose Bowl BCS games even if theres a team from across the country they are there two weeks before the game and they are given half the tickets.
Funny how you just try to argue about two games as away instead of neutral, completely avoid the two in Atlanta where you're fan base had to drive three hours to the game and act like you never read where i showed how Alabama has played 3 (yes only three) road OCC games in ten years.LOL
Yes your "plan" is working. It's still cowardly. Congrats.

 

[Bandwagonbo2]

Arlington is better than 9 hours away by car and atleast a three hour flight. Must be hard to explain that one away as a home game or you would have scoffed at it too huh?

Anything not on the grounds of Bryant Denny stadium is considered an away opportunity in my book and only by the grace of home and away stats for actual usage at the games does one not think that way. Neutral site games are revenue gold mines and its no doubt one of the main reasons Alabama's football team makes as much as it does...and it doesnt hurt recruiting purposes either(6 of 7 top spot yearly recruiting rankings tells the tale). Dont like the way Bama schedules, tough shit, but all one has to do is look at revenue and recruiting to see who who's plan is working best for them and who's isnt.[/QUOTE

Dude BOTH teams had to go to travel to those two games ( yeah just two) so quit acting like it was an away game for Bama. Its a Neutral game your "book" doesn't count . Oh and a three hour drive isn't an away game when the other team is getting on a plane and crossing two states to the other side of another to get there. At least at the Rose Bowl BCS games even if theres a team from across the country they are there two weeks before the game and they are given half the tickets.
Funny how you just try to argue about two games as away instead of neutral, completely avoid the two in Atlanta where you're fan base had to drive three hours to the game and act like you never read where i showed how Alabama has played 3 (yes only three) road OCC games in ten years.LOL
Yes your "plan" is working. It's still cowardly. Congrats.

I didnt avoid anything, I simply didnt acknowledge your little quip about Atlanta being three hours away. I stated my thoughts on Arlington being nine hours away from Tuscaloosa and that this clearly would qualify under anyones rules as being an away game no matter the circumstances of being a neutral game or not. Yes both teams travel and thats the nature of a neutral game, but it's still away from a "home field" thus its away. Only by the grace of sports and the fact we normally designate teams home and away is there even a distinction. Fact is its a win/win for each team as both get big paydays and both play in front of a neutral or close to even crowd unless one teams fans dont travel as well as the other teams.

And in todays world and i guess you missed this part, being financially responsible(state run school in case you didnt know that) and earning a profit every year since he's been there and topping the recruiting charts 6 of 7 years shows that plan is working. You can call it cowardly all you want, but opinions vary and the bottom line in today's world is dollars and scents and in the University of Alabama books that plan is far from cowardly, its a money maker. Argue with that and apparently you are not rooted in reality, but prejudiced to the point of only seeing your side. /EOT

 

[socaljim242]

I didnt avoid anything, I simply didnt acknowledge your little quip about Atlanta being three hours away. I stated my thoughts on Arlington being nine hours away from Tuscaloosa and that this clearly would qualify under anyones rules as being an away game no matter the circumstances of being a neutral game or not. Yes both teams travel and thats the nature of a neutral game, but it's still away from a "home field" thus its away. Only by the grace of sports and the fact we normally designate teams home and away is there even a distinction. Fact is its a win/win for each team as both get big paydays and both play in front of a neutral or close to even crowd unless one teams fans dont travel as well as the other teams.

And in todays world and i guess you missed this part, being financially responsible(state run school in case you didnt know that) and earning a profit every year since he's been there and topping the recruiting charts 6 of 7 years shows that plan is working. You can call it cowardly all you want, but opinions vary and the bottom line in today's world is dollars and scents and in the University of Alabama books that plan is far from cowardly, its a money maker. Argue with that and apparently you are not rooted in reality, but prejudiced to the point of only seeing your side. /EOT

So a neutral site game is actually an away game? LOL . And a three hour drive is and away game? And only three away games in ten years is a way Alabama football makes money and does it to be financially responsible . LOL.