The PAC12 THREAD v.2

[WizardHawk]

ohhh, I thought it was a set price per season

I have no idea if they do that for other teams across the country, but not here. It's per seat per game.

 

[TexasExes98]

Guess you don't know what millennium means. Since you brought up 2010 - Texas certainly hasn't played since then.

Is that supposed to hurt my feelings? Texas has been nothing but average to below average since then. This isn't breaking news, Deep Throat.......

 

[socaljim242]

ohhh, I thought it was a set price per season

I can't speak for every fan from every school but I do know what most USC fans feel about playing teams who have absolutely no chance to make it a game. We'd rather watch them on TV play someone with a heartbeat . If it means less of a chance to play in the NC game because they didn't play well against an inferior team on their home field then they didn;t deserve the shot anyway. But to think your team is that good but you're ok with it playing three North Texas every year just to pad your record and sitting in the stands watching that lump of crap game joyfully watching your Alabama beat the shit out of Towson is foreign to me and most USC fans.

 

[4down20]

I can't speak for every fan from every school but I do know what most USC fans feel about playing teams who have absolutely no chance to make it a game. We'd rather watch them on TV play someone with a heartbeat . If it means less of a chance to play in the NC game because they didn't play well against an inferior team on their home field then they didn;t deserve the shot anyway. But to think your team is that good but you're ok with it playing three North Texas every year just to pad your record and sitting in the stands watching that lump of crap game joyfully watching your Alabama beat the shit out of Towson is foreign to me and most USC fans.

We get our good games in conference, while you play teams like Colorado in conference.

Which is why generally the SEC has a higher overall SoS and more quality games than USC. Strange what happens when you quit pretending like all in conference games are equal and include them, rather than focusing on just 33% of the schedule.

 

[LawDawg]

I can't speak for every fan from every school but I do know what most USC fans feel about playing teams who have absolutely no chance to make it a game. We'd rather watch them on TV play someone with a heartbeat . If it means less of a chance to play in the NC game because they didn't play well against an inferior team on their home field then they didn;t deserve the shot anyway. But to think your team is that good but you're ok with it playing three North Texas every year just to pad your record and sitting in the stands watching that lump of crap game joyfully watching your Alabama beat the shit out of Towson is foreign to me and most USC fans.

Says the guy whose team has the following scheduled in the next several years:

- Fresno State
- Idaho
- Arkansas State
- New Mexico

and in the recent past has played teams like:

- Hawaii (often)
- Utah State
- Utah
- San Jose State

Even when you play BCS teams you've played:

- Minnesota
- UVa
- Syracuse
- Boston College

Sure, you have scheduled some top teams, but so do many of the top SEC teams. So, stop with this talk like you guys do nothing play tough OOC teams. Even having Notre Dame every year for the past few decades isn't all that tough.

 

[socaljim242]

We get our good games in conference, while you play teams like Colorado in conference.

Which is why generally the SEC has a higher overall SoS and more quality games than USC. Strange what happens when you quit pretending like all in conference games are equal and include them, rather than focusing on just 33% of the schedule.

Colorado is new to the PAC but didn't they win a National Championship in 1990? Something Georgia- Kentucky- Missouri- South Carolina- Vanderbilt- Tennessee- University of Mississippi- Mississippi State-Texas A&M haven't done between 19190 and now. Some never. LOL. Nice.

 

[4down20]

Colorado is new to the PAC but didn't they win a National Championship in 1990? Something Georgia- Kentucky- Missouri- South Carolina- Vanderbilt- Tennessee- University of Mississippi- Mississippi State-Texas A&M haven't done between 19190 and now. Some never. LOL. Nice.

Oh great, now we've moved into magical date ranges.

I guess by this logic, playing Oregon and Stanford must not mean anything. Even though they are pretty much the top2 teams in the Pac12 right now.



Btw, Tennessee won the national championship in 1998 and were the very first BCS National Champions.

 

[RegentDenali]

More details about about the likely move of the PAC champ game to Levi's stadium in Santa Clara. Yes, of course maximizing $$$$$ is always the priority, but the reasons listed like a weeks notice to obtain hotel rooms, finding the extra security, and issues with obtaining enough suite/prime seating space for corporate sponsors and broadcast network partners are very legit reasons to place this game in a neutral site NFL sized stadium.

Pac-12 coaches informed of possible champ game move to Bay Area

PHOENIX -- Pac-12 coaches were informed Tuesday about the possibility of the league moving the conference championship game to the 49ers new stadium in Santa Clara, Calif.

Commissioner Larry Scott told the coaches during the league's spring meetings here at the Arizona Biltmore. SI.com first reported the league was in discussions to move the game. However, a source told CBSSports.com Tuesday the feeling was that the move was likely.

The reason: “A ****-load of money,” according to the source.

“I know they're in discussions,” Stanford coach David Shaw said. “At the very least it's very intriguing.”

The league has played on campus sites the first three years of the championship game (Arizona State, 2013; Stanford, 2012; Oregon, 2011).

A neutral-site move to the Bay Area is seen as a win-win, if it happens. The 49ers are looking for events to book into the new Levi's Stadium beyond the 49ers, similar to how the Kansas City Chiefs and Dallas Cowboys have been aggressive in booking neutral site college games to their stadiums.

The Niners potentially could include the Pac-12 championship game in its season-ticket package. Near the end of the Big 12's run at Arrowhead Stadium in Kansas City, Chiefs season-ticket holders were buying 50,000 seats for the league's championship game according to a source.

The so-called “home host” model for the Pac-12 has had its issues. The division winner with the highest ranking hosted the game. It was hard on short notice to clear enough hotel rooms in college towns for the visiting team. Attendance was in issue two years ago when Stanford hosted UCLA. The Friday game drew less than 32,000 in the 50,000-seat stadium.

In 2011, it was difficult to locate enough K-9 dogs in the Eugene, Ore. area on short notice to do a security sweep of Autzen Stadium, according to a source.

“I'm completely split being involved in the Pac-12 championship game two years in a row …,” Shaw said. “That's going to be an exciting place to play. If we do it there I'm sure it's going to be awesome.”

Washington State's Mike Leach told CBSSports.com's Jeremy Fowler: “I just think it would be better for the conference and better for the fans. Nobody had terribly strong feelings …”

Colorado's Mike MacIntyre told Fowler: "now is the time to try it" because of the new stadium.

 

[socaljim242]

Says the guy whose team has the following scheduled in the next several years:

- Fresno State
- Idaho
- Arkansas State
- New Mexico

and in the recent past has played teams like:

- Hawaii (often)
- Utah State
- Utah
- San Jose State

Even when you play BCS teams you've played:

- Minnesota
- UVa
- Syracuse
- Boston College

Sure, you have scheduled some top teams, but so do many of the top SEC teams. So, stop with this talk like you guys do nothing play tough OOC teams. Even having Notre Dame every year for the past few decades isn't all that tough.

\Youre right . When USC last played those big bad SEC teams the outcome wasn't so pretty. I can't imagine why more SEC teams haven't scheduled them for some more games. lol

 

[RegentDenali]

The PAC12 coaches, ADs, and conf representatives are having their spring meeting this week in Arizona.

Updates on what has been going on.

ESPN - Pac-12 coaches on Tuesday finished up the first day of the spring meetings with the morning session filled with mostly housekeeping items: scheduling, the College Football Playoff, bowl affiliations, summer practices and player stipends.

The largest news item to come out of the day was the discussion to move the Pac-12 championship game to Levi’s Stadium, the future home of the San Francisco 49ers, in Santa Clara, California. No coaches gave specifics on a timeline of when this would be put into effect, but it could happen as early as 2014.


The three-hour afternoon session was focused on officiating, according to Arizona coach Rich Rodriguez.

He said one of the biggest talking points was in regard to the NCAA’s 10-second rule proposal, which would have allowed defenses to substitute within the first 10 seconds of the 40-second play clock. Under this proposal, offenses wouldn’t be allowed to snap the ball until the 29-second mark of the play clock, which would’ve severely affected up-tempo teams. The NCAA Football Rules Committee tabled the proposal in March.

Shaw said the 10-second rule was “ridiculous” and doesn’t believe the rule will ever be brought up again.

“It caught everybody by surprise,” Rodriguez said. “We wondered, ‘How did that happen?’ … That was a scary part. We have to make sure in the future that we as coaches do our job to stay involved in anything that may affect the game itself or the people playing the game.”

Coaches also discussed the new rule that will be enforced on quarterback hits, which states that no rushing player is allowed to hit a quarterback at or below the knee when the QB is in a passing posture.

Shaw said the difficulty with that rule is how the officials will decide whether a defensive player is being blocked into a QB or hitting the player on his own.

“That’s the biggest distinction,” he said. “But I think it’s great. We all want to protect the quarterbacks as much as anybody. But we also like hitting quarterbacks. But it’s great for us to know when we can hit them and when we can’t.”

 

[4down20]

\Youre right . When USC last played those big bad SEC teams the outcome wasn't so pretty. I can't imagine why more SEC teams haven't scheduled them for some more games. lol

You act like the SEC quit allowing a conference into the main bowl game because they were tired of losing to that conference.

 

[smilesid]

Cupcakes? Look, most big schools are guilty of bringing in a couple of them. but the extra IC game would eliminate one of those games. It makes a difference, you know. The extra conference game is going to be a loss for 50% of those teams. A cupcake game is seldom a loss.

The facts are not debatable. The SEC plays more cupcake games than any other major conference. They play more FCS schools and more home games than any other conference. Heck even a lot of their "road" games against major schools are in nearby "neutral" sites like friendly Atlanta. The conference schedule is fixed so that they only play within their division, and one set team from the other. So 7 of the 8 IC games are set to be predictable (and winnable) for the traditionally top teams in the conference.

Besides, Oregon might have had a chance to play in a couple more NC games had they not have made the mistake of playing Boise St. instead of one of those FCS schools that the SEC tends to load up on. USC might have won even more NCs if they didn't go on the road to play ND, Nebraska, and the other major schools they schedule fairly. By the way, Sooner fan, we're still waiting for OK to set up a home & home with Boise. The Oregon Schools did. The Washington schools did. I know, I know, teams can hire some last place team to come in for a home game weenie roast, pay em a few bucks, and keep the rest. Or they can go on the road and play honest games, and possibly LOSE. Yeah, we all get it.

 

[trojanfight]

We get our good games in conference, while you play teams like Colorado in conference.

Which is why generally the SEC has a higher overall SoS and more quality games than USC. Strange what happens when you quit pretending like all in conference games are equal and include them, rather than focusing on just 33% of the schedule.

not debating your team has good quality games...but lets not act like the SEC doesn't have several colorado caliber type teams. arkansas, miss st, vanderbilt, tennessee, etc....the #8 pac 12 team played the team that represented SEC in championship game and it was a 7 point game. washington st qb threw for nearly 400 yards against another "great" sec defense....thats more than aj threw in their game. seems to me a more mid level team like arizona st would have beat them at home. but again you have poor teams in your conference lets not act like every game is a grudge match..your team coasted for 7 straight weeks after playing texas a&m last season.

 

[outofyourmind]

Ok Capt Obvious - in THIS millennium Oregon is 6-2 against the Big 12. Do you hunt with a musket?

P.S. Winning % is .744 in THIS millennium against the PAC and 6-5 against USC. After that massive beat down they put on you in the Natty can't blame you for thinking the PAC is a one horse stage.

And with all that you have what exactly?? Some Conference Championships. Some pretty uniforms?
College Football History is littered with teams like Oregon. A footnote in CFB History

Oregon**






















**they almost did something

 

[socaljim242]

Oh great, now we've moved into magical date ranges.

I guess by this logic, playing Oregon and Stanford must not mean anything. Even though they are pretty much the top2 teams in the Pac12 right now.



Btw, Tennessee won the national championship in 1998 and were the very first BCS National Champions.

You're the one who brought up PAC teams playing Colorado . I'm just pointing out that while you brag about the big bad SEC. Colorado has won a NC more recently than a big chuck of your SEC teams.

 

[7Samurai13]

Colorado is new to the PAC but didn't they win a National Championship in 1990? Something Georgia- Kentucky- Missouri- South Carolina- Vanderbilt- Tennessee- University of Mississippi- Mississippi State-Texas A&M haven't done between 19190 and now. Some never. LOL. Nice.

Well Tennessee won the first BCS title, so they should be off the list, but they haven't done anything since then.



Sorry, missed 4down covered that already

 

[Olyduck]

I recall it being empty. Interesting

You are thinking of the game at Stanford where only 31622 showed up to a 60000 seat stadium. but thats also about normal numbers for that stadium anyway.

 

[Codaxx]

Adding the additional conference game is quite significant. I think people are under-estimating its effect. Over the course of the BCS it is highly likely to have cost the SEC a couple BCS appearances.

 

[LawDawg]

\Youre right . When USC last played those big bad SEC teams the outcome wasn't so pretty. I can't imagine why more SEC teams haven't scheduled them for some more games. lol

How quickly you change the subject. You state that no USC fan would put up with such a schedule ... I show you that, in fact, you do. You change the subject. Typical. LOL

 

[SUBuddha]

You are thinking of the game at Stanford where only 31622 showed up to a 60000 seat stadium. but thats also about normal numbers for that stadium anyway.

Oly, Stanford has had repeated sellouts for the part of the season that happens when students are on campus. Keep in mind, like many schools on the quarter system, Stanford does not start classes until the end of September usually. Hence the low turnout for some of the early season games.

As to the CGG 2 years ago, it was abysmal I admit it. However, a Friday game with a relatively early kickoff is never going to go well in city with that kind of traffic. Adding insult to injury, there was a serious rain storm that day, and traffic was a nightmare. My buddy works in SF (about a 30-40 minute drive if there is no traffic), he left work at 4pm to head to the game. He got there around halftime. I would suspect a similar issue would occur in LA, and possibly Seattle (the 405, 90 and 520 are a nightmare). The only advantage is so many more fans live locally in those markets. Many Stanford alums commute from out of town for the games, and a Friday game makes that tough. Case in point, my dad's buddy flies down from Seattle every Friday night for home games, he could not get out of town in time for the CGG 2 years ago, and even if he had, he would have been stuck in the traffic jam coming from any one of the three area airports.