The PAC12 THREAD v.2

[LawDawg]

So you say other conferences get a "pre season" to "work out the kinks" and that the SEC plays some IC games early so they make it up by scheduling late season games against these ridiculous OCC games against teams that dont have a single NFL player on the roster. So do you think the SEC just doesnt get that the "kinks" need to get worked out? That cupcakes are meant to be played early to warm up? Or do they schedule it this way because in a IC game one of your conference teams is going to lose no matter what so it doesnt matter when you play them but the advantage of having a practice against North Texas late in the season and resting your starters after halftime and chalking up a win is way better than playing a conference foe and getting players hurt or tired or adding that late loss.No it couldnt be that right? LOL. You make it sound so easy for the Pac to just do the same thing. So why is it that the SEC cant move the cupcakes to the beginning of the season ? You act like thats impossible for some reason.

I am confident that the SEC has numerous rationals for why they do it their way. I know with the new Network it is to ensure inventory. What's interesting is that I have long wished that we had the pre-season rather than the bye. As to what is easy or not, I don't know how easy it would be ... all the conferences have their preferences and I respect them. I only wish we had a pre-season. If you can't see the balance between pre-season September and late season bye, then it doesn't make any sense to discuss it further.

As for the teams you play. Well what are the chances a Troy a North Texas a Towsend a Charleston Southern is going to have a good team and catch an LSU or Alabama looking forward to the next game and actually give them a scare or beat them? When is that happening? What are the chances those teams will have more than maybe one NFL caliber player on the roster? Now What are the odds a Boston College a Virginia a Fresno State a Hawaii a Syracuse are going to have a few NFL players on the roster? What are the chances they could actually give you a scare or even win ?And lord forbid you have to actually go to their house the next year. This is what you ignore.

I don't ignore it ... the SEC isn't the only conference playing those and similar teams. I've been clear that I'd rather we not play FCS teams. And, no I don't think there is much difference between some of the FCS teams and the BCS teams ... Maybe once every 20 years one of them will win, but they are all cupcakes in most years. There are teams that man up ... you guys do with Texas in the future ND every year, etc. But a majority of teams play pretty much the same cupcake schedule. By the way, I am distinguishing between mid-majors and FCS ... you take a bigger risk with teams like Syracuse, Virginia, etc., although in most years they are cupcakes.[/quote]

When is the last time Alabama -LSU - Georgia played Troy or North texas or Charlton southern or Townsend at their home stadium?

That would be stupid for us to do. It's about the money. We give them money to come play, we gate another home game to feed the university and city coffers. You're dreaming if you think any team, USCw included, is going to suddenly do away games at FCS or mid-majors. Just isn't going to happen.

 

[trojanfan12]

Which game did you drop from Florida's schedule?

I didn't drop any specific game from anyone's schedule. I simply looked at what the cumulative record for the SEC was and then looked at what that record would look like if one OOC game for each team was removed and replaced with 1 IC game. The record for 14 IC games can't be anything other than 7-7. So I moved 7 wins from the cumulative win total and added them to the cumulative loss total.

I know it's math and all, but it really ain't all that complicated.

 

[trojanfan12]

Let's see if I can clear this up for you. First, I am not talking only about USCw ... I am talking about all 130 Division I teams. Looking at your schedule, some PAC schools play early IC games. I don't think any other league other than the SEC and some in the PAC do that.

Obviously, the SEC teams aren't working out kinks in their November games. The point is that you either get 3/4 OOC games in September that amounts to a pre-season to get the kinks worked out, or you start the season off playing relevant IC games before the kinks are worked out. Personally, I like the idea of the pre-season, but the SEC doesn't. That means we play USCe in a game in week 2 or week 3 that for both teams pretty much eliminates their SEC East hopes, or at least makes it so that the losing team doesn't control their own destiny. Again, I'd rather play USCe in week 8 or 9, not week 2 or 3, But, that is the way it is. So, because we play early IC games, we have to play late OOC games. No other way to work it. The SEC does it in a way that it is an effective bye week for the SEC teams. I have no problem with that ... other teams get a pre-season the SEC doesn't get, we get a bye week later you don't get. If you don't like that, change your schedule and play IC games early (by the way, unless I am mistaken, some PAC schools seem to be doing that this year as you indicate ... other conferences don't do this).

I would point out that USC does play a late November game OOC right before your UCLA rivalry game. You have to do because in most years you play an early IC game. You get credit for that. But, don't forget that UF, UGa, UK, and USCe all play FSU, GaTech, Louisville, and Clemson OOC in the last games of the year. I doubt you'll complain about that, but not expecting you to give an credit for it either.

But, now you say it isn't when it is played, it is who we play. Which is it? Who or when? I am in agreement on not playing FCS schools, but we could just as easily schedule Kansas or the like and still get a bye week.

In any event, it isn't as lopsided as you want to paint it, in my opinion. But we aren't going to change each others minds, I suspect.

Point of fact, USC plays an OOC game prior to the rivalry game every other season, we play Notre Dame. That is considerably different than playing Charleston Southern the week before UCLA.

The way the rivalry with Notre Dame is set up is that when the game is in South Bend, it is played in October and when it's played in L.A., it's in November. So, every other season, USC actually plays back to back rivalry games.

Anybody in the SEC doing that?

 

[LawDawg]

Point of fact, USC plays an OOC game prior to the rivalry game every other season, we play Notre Dame. That is considerably different than playing Charleston Southern the week before UCLA.

The way the rivalry with Notre Dame is set up is that when the game is in South Bend, it is played in October and when it's played in L.A., it's in November. So, every other season, USC actually plays back to back rivalry games.

Anybody in the SEC doing that?

Anybody in other conferences doing that? That's what I thought.

 

[The Crimson King]

I didn't drop any specific game from anyone's schedule. I simply looked at what the cumulative record for the SEC was and then looked at what that record would look like if one OOC game for each team was removed and replaced with 1 IC game. The record for 14 IC games can't be anything other than 7-7. So I moved 7 wins from the cumulative win total and added them to the cumulative loss total.

I know it's math and all, but it really ain't all that complicated.

I know. I have a degree in actuarial science. It's pretty easy

 

[The Crimson King]

Point of fact, USC plays an OOC game prior to the rivalry game every other season, we play Notre Dame. That is considerably different than playing Charleston Southern the week before UCLA.

The way the rivalry with Notre Dame is set up is that when the game is in South Bend, it is played in October and when it's played in L.A., it's in November. So, every other season, USC actually plays back to back rivalry games.

Anybody in the SEC doing that?

Auburn played Georgia and Bama back to back for a long, long time. When the twelfth game/bye week was added it went in between the two.

 

[trojanfan12]

I know. I have a degree in actuarial science. It's pretty easy

Hell, I don't even know what actuarial science is!!

 

[trojanfan12]

Auburn played Georgia and Bama back to back for a long, long time. When the twelfth game/bye week was added it went in between the two.

That's a great back to back. Tough as heck most seasons though. I always love and dread the years that we have the back to back rivalry games.

I love them because it's like an extra holiday stuck in there with Thanksgiving, but dread it because it's gotta be a little tough on the players getting up for the ND game with UCLA the very next week.

I have a good friend who's an ND fan and another who's a UCLA fan and the 2 weeks of non-stop trash talk is a lot of fun!!

 

[WizardHawk]

Wiz, I believe what he is getting at is that if the SEC went to a 9 game IC schedule, it wouldn't eliminate 14 wins for the conference, it would mean 7 fewer wins for the conference.

The SEC had a cumulative record of 103-65 last season. If they had played a 9 game IC schedule, the cumulative record would drop to 96-72, that's 7 fewer wins for the conference, not 14.

Basically, he's arguing a technicality to avoid having to deal with the overall point of your post.

I've been saying for 10 pages they would be replacing 14 cupcake wins with 7 losses. By default that implies 7 wins as well and he knows it. I mean you would have to be really bad at math not to understand how an extra conference game works against their overall conference record and yet for 15 pages they have been showing exactly that.

What he's actually saying is it isn't 14 wins to begin with because they occasionally lose to cupcakes.

That's what is so funny.

 

[Texas Jefe]

wasn't the statement that adding another conference game adds 7 more total losses to the conference? That's not a fact

I'm not saying any specific team, and I'm not saying it would or would not have effected the SEC champions of the last 6 years. All I'm saying is, if you add one more conference game per team per year, you are going to end up with half of them as losses. That's adding a loss to someone. Who knows who that someone would be? Would it be a NC contender? Most of the time, no. But conference wins are not guaranteed.

 

[4down20]

I've been saying for 10 pages they would be replacing 14 cupcake wins with 7 losses. By default that implies 7 wins as well and he knows it. I mean you would have to be really bad at math not to understand how an extra conference game works against their overall conference record and yet for 15 pages they have been showing exactly that.

What he's actually saying is it isn't 14 wins to begin with because they occasionally lose to cupcakes.

That's what is so funny.

Pretty sure everyone knows it means more conference losses.

It's the effects of such a thing and what you are claiming beyond that which is all messed up, and as I said before - non sequitur.

 

[963BUSC]

That's a great back to back. Tough as heck most seasons though. I always love and dread the years that we have the back to back rivalry games.

I love them because it's like an extra holiday stuck in there with Thanksgiving, but dread it because it's gotta be a little tough on the players getting up for the ND game with UCLA the very next week.

I have a good friend who's an ND fan and another who's a UCLA fan and the 2 weeks of non-stop trash talk is a lot of fun!!

Less fun last three years though.

 

[yeodonie]

Fucking boot their asses. We aren't FSU

 

[WhiteMamba]

I thought they are already gone?

fucking idiots need to be put in prison if they did this... For a long long time.

 

[yeodonie]

There was rumor they were transferring as they weren't participating in team activities. Truth is out.

Fry those fuckers.

 

[mrwallace2ku]

So that means VCR repair and farming are the only other majors offered at OSU now? Nice.

lolz..


You can think of us everytime you cross a bridge, walk into a building, drive your car or fly over to Hawaii.


World needs engineers and yeppers they come from Oregon State University. One of the best depts on the west coast sonny.

 

[WhiteMamba]

No way in hell they should see any college basketball court again...

 

[mrwallace2ku]

Now that is some funny shit

What's funnier is YOU living in Texas...stay here would ya...no room up here for any more Quackerz.

 

[mrwallace2ku]

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Fucking boot their asses. We aren't FSU

Doesn't surprise me...entrance level standards and all @ UO. They pretty much let anything go there.

 

[RegentDenali]

lolz..


You can think of us everytime you cross a bridge, walk into a building, drive your car or fly over to Hawaii.


World needs engineers and yeppers they come from Oregon State University. One of the best depts on the west coast sonny.

Lego bridges don't count.