The PAC12 THREAD v.2

[mrwallace2ku]

ASU will drop from their pre-season poll...nuff said.

 

[WizardHawk]

I don't think I'd be as arrogant as a coug and say any UW QB was the overall best in conference history, but they sure have had their share of some greats. Warren Moon had two seasons after being a JC transfer that turned UW's program around and gave DJ his first RB victory. Mark Brunell was one hell of a college QB, but his knee injury limited his career numbers and gave way to Billy Joe Hobert to take center stage.

I would probably go with one of the pampered princess USC boys under Carroll.

LOL at leaf being tops though. Hell, Bledsoe was a better QB than leaf IMO. If he wasn't even the best of your school's history he can't be best of the conference history unless the category is most mentally ill QB in conference history in which case leaf is a slam dunk.

 

[seahawksfan234]

Personally I watch more NFL than I do college, I posted the question mostly to watch you all fight it out. My opinion would likely be influenced by their NFL performance. I'd want to put Matt Leinart up there, but I can't stop thinking about how he looked with the Cardinals.

 

[asu_08]

I'm an ASU alum, live in the Phoenix area now and attend most of their home and some of their away games. I was sceptical of the Graham hire initially, but the guy has done a hell of a job so far. They will be preseason top 25. To me it will be a long shot if they finish there though. They lost all of their studs on defense - Sutton, Bradford, Coleman, Young, Irahbor, Darby, etc. Grice, Coyle, some WRs, and some of the linemen are gone on offense too although Kelly, Strong, and the back up RB Foster return. The young bucks will have to step up and fill the voids and they need to recruit and play better along the lines of scrimmage. In three of their four losses to Notre Dame and Stanford (twice), they were manhandled in the trenches on both sides of the ball. They also need to recruit better in-state. There's a lot of talent out here and nearly every single one of the four and five star studs head out of state to more established programs.

Right now I'm predicting an 8 win regular season. With a bowl win that might be enough to finish in the top 25. I think the offense will be even better than last season. The offensive line should be better with Christian Westerman being eligible and Jaelen Strong is going to finally have other decent receivers alongside him who can take some of the pressure off of him.

Defense is definitely going to be a struggle though. There's talent there but it's young and unproven. One thing that gives me hope is how much bigger the front 7 is going to be. Last season only one player on the 2 deep on defense was taller than 6'1''. In spring practice the starting front 4 is all at least 6'3''. Teams like Stanford won't be able to manhandle them with the running game like last year, of course now the problem is going to be generating a pass rush.

 

[asu_08]

It's Bleacher Report, so take it for what it's worth, but here is where they have PAC teams ranked in their Post National Signing Day Top 25:


#6 - Oregon
#8 - Stanford
#9 - UCLA
#15 - USC
#16 - ASU

Their justification for ASU's spot is that Marion Grice will be back and healthy

 

[FORKWDEVIL]

After ASU wins first 3 we will be in the single digits.

 

[FORKWDEVIL]

I'm an ASU alum, live in the Phoenix area now and attend most of their home and some of their away games. I was sceptical of the Graham hire initially, but the guy has done a hell of a job so far. They will be preseason top 25. To me it will be a long shot if they finish there though. They lost all of their studs on defense - Sutton, Bradford, Coleman, Young, Irahbor, Darby, etc. Grice, Coyle, some WRs, and some of the linemen are gone on offense too although Kelly, Strong, and the back up RB Foster return. The young bucks will have to step up and fill the voids and they need to recruit and play better along the lines of scrimmage. In three of their four losses to Notre Dame and Stanford (twice), they were manhandled in the trenches on both sides of the ball. They also need to recruit better in-state. There's a lot of talent out here and nearly every single one of the four and five star studs head out of state to more established programs.

OPRAH!!!!!

 

[FORKWDEVIL]

ASU will drop from their pre-season poll...nuff said.

Doubt it Beave

 

[mcnabb7542]

Personally I watch more NFL than I do college, I posted the question mostly to watch you all fight it out. My opinion would likely be influenced by their NFL performance. I'd want to put Matt Leinart up there, but I can't stop thinking about how he looked with the Cardinals.

Out of him ,Palmer and dirty Sanchez I would have Matt in my top ten...

Plunkett
Elway


also in the top 10......

 

[WhiteMamba]

After ASU wins first 3 we will be in the single digits.

ASU will be ranked in the real polls between 15 and 20.

While it is possible a 3-0 start would boost you a little it is more unlikely that it would result in a top 9 ranking like you suggest. The teams in front of you will be winning cupcake games as well.

Weber State
New Mexico
Colorado

Not exactly a 3-0 start that will propel ASU into the top 9. Possible, just not likely IMO.

 

[Olyduck]

After ASU wins first 3 we will be in the single digits.

Off the strength of Weber State, New Mexico and Colorado?
or are you hoping teams 15-10 all lose games too?

USC could lose to Stanford not the other games. and if they beat Stanford would they fall enough for ASU to over take?
I dont think Missouri is losing to South Dakota State, Toledo or a reloading/rebuilding UCF
Between LSU and Wisconsin 1 of them has to lose to there is 1 spot for you.
South Carolina vs A&M?
Baylor isnt losing one of their early games
UCLA vs texas maybe?

Sorry it will take more than 3 games for ASU to crack the top 10. undefed after 5 then yes.

 

[trojanfan12]

Off the strength of Weber State, New Mexico and Colorado?
or are you hoping teams 15-10 all lose games too?

USC could lose to Stanford not the other games. and if they beat Stanford would they fall enough for ASU to over take?
I dont think Missouri is losing to South Dakota State, Toledo or a reloading/rebuilding UCF
Between LSU and Wisconsin 1 of them has to lose to there is 1 spot for you.
South Carolina vs A&M?
Baylor isnt losing one of their early games
UCLA vs texas maybe?

Sorry it will take more than 3 games for ASU to crack the top 10. undefed after 5 then yes.

Agree. USC has a stronger SOS over the 1st 3 games than ASU (Fresno St., Stanford, Boston College) and I'm not sure that we would crack the top 10 if we start 3-0.

 

[WhiteMamba]

Agree. USC has a stronger SOS over the 1st 3 games than ASU (Fresno St., Stanford, Boston College) and I'm not sure that we would crack the top 10 if we start 3-0.

It would be likely IMO.

A win over a top 6 team in Stanfordand a top 25 in Fresno could just be enough.

SC and ASU are going to be ranked right next to each other in 1st polls.

 

[asu_08]

I doubt ASU is higher than 15 going into week 5 against UCLA. Find a way to sweep the LA schools and then you can start talking top 10. Realistically I'm hoping they can stay in the polls all season and finish with some momentum going into 2015.

 

[Olyduck]

I doubt ASU is higher than 15 going into week 5 against UCLA. Find a way to sweep the LA schools and then you can start talking top 10. Realistically I'm hoping they can stay in the polls all season and finish with some momentum going into 2015.

Thats why I said 5-0 undefeated would mean wins over both LA schools which would really boost the SOS not to mention both will probably be slightly higher ranked than ASU

 

[WhiteMamba]

Very good possibility the PAC could have 5 top 15 teams in week 2 though.

 

[mrwallace2ku]

Must say on a CBB side...The Pac is doing well up to the sweet sixteen and Oregon came within a whisker of being there also.

Congrats to those Pac teams still dancing.

 

[WhiteMamba]

yes congrats and go Zona!

 

[mcnabb7542]

It's March a little early to be drooling over rankings, I'm sure some college football writer got bored, needed a piece so he decides to write an article about how teams should be ranked based on returning players and some 18 yr old kid they just had commit to the school,

I'm gonna use Wiz's new word of the month, "fuckin blog writers"

I get that correct Wizzard?

 

[mrwallace2ku]

The ENTIRE Pac12 should be undefeated by week 3 mamba...

Game don't start till Pac teams play Pac teams in my OP.