The PAC12 THREAD v.2

[seahawksfan234]

Without question Ryan Leaf. Name another Pac-12 QB that put up with his numbers without any NFL talent around him.

Lol'd at your signature.

 

[mcnabb7542]

Just trying to spark some conversation during the semi-dead period.

Heading to Florida in a few days, took a look at the weather report and guess what? The forecast calls for rain!

That's what I'm afraid of when I take off for Hawaii, of course the weather here will be sunny and warm...


And my question marks was my response as to "tough question" I mean if you really think about it and take the "homerism" out of of your selection , it can be a serious debated conversation... There has been some very good QB in the Pac....

 

[trojanfan12]

pick one of those Trojans under Carroll. As far as I remember those would have to be at the top. If you are looking at winning and success.

As far as talent and numbers? Lets see where Mariota is after this year to see if he stacks up against those Troj QBs.

I guess it depends on what criteria we look at.

If we're just talking about college careers, I'd say Palmer, Leinart and Barkley are in the conversation. However, if we're including NFL careers.......................

 

[mcnabb7542]

If we're just talking about college careers, I'd say Palmer, Leinart and Barkley are in the conversation. However, if we're including NFL careers.......................

No NFL stats, Im saying straight up college play, and of course stats would be key, but playmaking skills, his ability to just take over and a game piss of a stadium full of people...

 

[trojanfan12]

No NFL stats, Im saying straight up college play, and of course stats would be key, but playmaking skills, his ability to just take over and a game piss of a stadium full of people...

In that case, I think it could actually remove USC quarterbacks from the list. None of them were exactly mobile, so their ability to take over a game and piss off a stadium full of people becomes more dependent on what their teammates do around them.

Using USC's game vs. Notre Dame when Leinart was QB, he threw a perfect pass on 4th and 9, but if Jarrett doesn't make the catch, the game is over and USC loses.

However, if that's a qb like Mariota or Hundley, he might make that play with his legs, where Leinart couldn't.

 

[Texas Jefe]

I hate it when sites wont just put up the list. Have to load up 25 pages, they lost me.


If someone who went through it would put up the list, that would be great. Where did ASU end up on their list?

 

[trojanfan12]

I hate it when sites wont just put up the list. Have to load up 25 pages, they lost me.


If someone who went through it would put up the list, that would be great. Where did ASU end up on their list?

I scrolled through it. ASU was #16.

 

[Texas Jefe]

thanks. That's sounds like a solid number.

 

[mrwallace2ku]

Thank gawd Will Sutton isn't there to clog up the D middle for the Forks anymore. Teams always had to assign 2 guys for him.

signed,

The Mighty Beavers

 

[mrwallace2ku]

^Let's not forget ANY of those Stanford QBs and there are a ton of em thruout time, including J Elway of course.

 

[asu_08]

They seem to think Marion Grice is coming back....

 

[WhiteMamba]

Plunkett as well.

 

[trojanfan12]

It's Bleacher Report, so take it for what it's worth, but here is where they have PAC teams ranked in their Post National Signing Day Top 25:


#6 - Oregon
#8 - Stanford
#9 - UCLA
#15 - USC
#16 - ASU

 

[mrwallace2ku]

^ We @ State pay no attention to any of this nonsense TF.

 

[OregonDucks]

It's Bleacher Report, so take it for what it's worth, but here is where they have PAC teams ranked in their Post National Signing Day Top 25:


#6 - Oregon
#8 - Stanford
#9 - UCLA
#15 - USC
#16 - ASU

Oregon should be higher (easily top 5) and UCLA should be ahead of Stanford.

 

[seahawksfan234]

That's what I'm afraid of when I take off for Hawaii, of course the weather here will be sunny and warm...


And my question marks was my response as to "tough question" I mean if you really think about it and take the "homerism" out of of your selection , it can be a serious debated conversation... There has been some very good QB in the Pac....

I'm just praying the weather report is wrong and that it will actually be sunny every day

 

[trojanfan12]

Oregon should be higher (easily top 5) and UCLA should be ahead of Stanford.

Disagree about Oregon being top 5 (especially easily), they've lost too much on defense and they are one Mariota injury away from being in deep trouble on offense.

Definitely agree that UCLA should be ahead of Stanford. Stanford lost more overall than anyone.

USC and ASU are just about where they should be given that there is some uncertainty with both teams. USC has the talent to be top 10, but may not have the depth if they get hit with too many injuries again.

 

[wazzu31]

Lol'd at your signature.

Haha it's creative, give me that. But your question still remains. The most NFL talent Ryan Leaf had around him was Kevin McKenzie who was a special teams player for 2 years. Had Michael Black not got hurt against ASU and Michigan we would have one NC.

But now we have Leach so we will get a 5th place trophy every year.

 

[mrwallace2ku]

Disagree about Oregon being top 5 (especially easily), they've lost too much on defense and they are one Mariota injury away from being in deep trouble on offense.

Definitely agree that UCLA should be ahead of Stanford. Stanford lost more overall than anyone.

USC and ASU are just about where they should be given that there is some uncertainty with both teams. USC has the talent to be top 10, but may not have the depth if they get hit with too many injuries again.

 

[Boise4Life]

I'm an ASU alum, live in the Phoenix area now and attend most of their home and some of their away games. I was sceptical of the Graham hire initially, but the guy has done a hell of a job so far. They will be preseason top 25. To me it will be a long shot if they finish there though. They lost all of their studs on defense - Sutton, Bradford, Coleman, Young, Irahbor, Darby, etc. Grice, Coyle, some WRs, and some of the linemen are gone on offense too although Kelly, Strong, and the back up RB Foster return. The young bucks will have to step up and fill the voids and they need to recruit and play better along the lines of scrimmage. In three of their four losses to Notre Dame and Stanford (twice), they were manhandled in the trenches on both sides of the ball. They also need to recruit better in-state. There's a lot of talent out here and nearly every single one of the four and five star studs head out of state to more established programs.