THE PAC 12 THREAD v.3

[WizardHawk]

 

[Vitamike]

I agree that we got screwed because the NCAA wanted to "bag an elephant" so they could look like they are serious about enforcement. But the bottom line is that the Bush stuff happened. While I believe that USC did not know what was going on with Bush, we also only had one compliance person at the time.

The way the Bush stuff was done, it's entirely possible that we could have had 100 people in the compliance department and not known about it. But only having one made it look like we weren't taking compliance seriously. Honestly, I think it speaks to the integrity of our players that even with only 1 compliance person, the Bush family is the only thing the NCAA found re: the football program.

I understand your point and I don't completely disagree with the sentiment. However, playing college sports on an athletic scholarship is not a right, it's a privilege and these kids need to understand that. Much is expected of them, because much is given to them.

While I think that Josh Shaw's punishment was overly harsh, especially since he ended up not being charged. The fact is, he put himself in a bad situation and then proceeded to make it worse by trying to ditch the police when he had apparently done nothing more than have a loud argument with his girlfriend and then lying to his coaches and AD about it.

Overly harsh,,

After Shaw lies, his tale still makes no sense.

There has got to be more to the story otherwise why lie in the first place?

He obviously knows there is something to hide or else he wouldn't of lied in the first place or need one of the best criminal attorney in the country to represent him.

His actions just lead to a thought process that whatever he was doing was probably criminal and he likely got away with it.

 

[Not Neutral]

I agree that we got screwed because the NCAA wanted to "bag an elephant" so they could look like they are serious about enforcement. But the bottom line is that the Bush stuff happened. While I believe that USC did not know what was going on with Bush, we also only had one compliance person at the time.

The way the Bush stuff was done, it's entirely possible that we could have had 100 people in the compliance department and not known about it. But only having one made it look like we weren't taking compliance seriously. Honestly, I think it speaks to the integrity of our players that even with only 1 compliance person, the Bush family is the only thing the NCAA found re: the football program.

I understand your point and I don't completely disagree with the sentiment. However, playing college sports on an athletic scholarship is not a right, it's a privilege and these kids need to understand that. Much is expected of them, because much is given to them.

While I think that Josh Shaw's punishment was overly harsh, especially since he ended up not being charged. The fact is, he put himself in a bad situation and then proceeded to make it worse by trying to ditch the police when he had apparently done nothing more than have a loud argument with his girlfriend and then lying to his coaches and AD about it.

Certainly my view of things is simply that and the way it works now is not going to change. There are many factors that my argument does not address I know but I got it off my chest.

 

[WhiteMamba]

Let the kid play.

He lied. He didn't physically harm anyone did he?

 

[mrwallace2ku]

wow..Terron Ward #28 has played his last game perhaps as a Beav. He might play IF a bowl game were played/ Terrific lil' speedster option is know gone out of the offense.

Plug-n-play #1 I spose, this kid will do fine.

 

[Monte Carlo Wildcat]

Man what a huge weekend for the pac 12 south. So many uncertainties going into the weekend. Can't wait for Sunday to get some clarification. Thank god the Beavers beat the scum Devils; it's made this weekend ever more entertaining. I'll be rooting for the Cougs and Bruins this weekend.

 

[WhiteMamba]

PAC 12 south is the most exciting division in cfb if you ask me.

Unreal. 5 very very good teams.

5 teams. 1 division. All ranked in top 19. When has that happened anywhere?

 

[WhiteMamba]

wow..Terron Ward #28 has played his last game perhaps as a Beav. He might play IF a bowl game were played/ Terrific lil' speedster option is know gone out of the offense.

Plug-n-play #1 I spose, this kid will do fine.

That sucks.

I see a lot of talkin heads picking Beavs to win straight up.

Team trending up?? I heard one of them saying UW is going to focus on the future now. I believe that to be a good move.

 

[Monte Carlo Wildcat]

PAC 12 south is the most exciting division in cfb if you ask me.

Unreal. 5 very very good teams.

5 teams. 1 division. All ranked in top 19. When has that happened anywhere?

I was looking at that the other day asking myself the same question. Pretty cool to see 5 pac 12 south teams ranked and 6 total with oregon. The conference as a whole has come such a longs ways; Makes for good football. I'm happy with the direction our conference is headed.

 

[mrwallace2ku]

That sucks.

I see a lot of talkin heads picking Beavs to win straight up.

Team trending up?? I heard one of them saying UW is going to focus on the future now. I believe that to be a good move.

I wouldn't goes as far to say that about the Beavs, takes a few wins before I would say "trending up". UWub played well @ Zona, shoulda won. They looked a lot better on offense as well, minus the miscues. Should be a good game...Beavs are soft on their D-line and Banker really needs to take chances with creative blitz schemes. Leaves the CB boys on islands to the outside, but it is what needs to happen if we are to have a chance at victory.

 

[WhiteMamba]

Gaining on SEC.

Just need Oregon to win out and claim NC.

 

[Vitamike]

Let the kid play.

He lied. He didn't physically harm anyone did he?

From what I've read, Josh Shaw has always been a real good kid. While I do think there is more to the story I agree with you Mamba let the kid play.

My post was really about tf saying his punishment was 'overly harsh' and it's pure homerism at best!

Not only did JS make up a huge whopping lie to cover his ass about whatever but he got his Aunt to lie for him too just to collaborate his story.

Then there is no evidence of domestic violence between he and his girlfriend so why would he run from the cops like he claims in his second 'story'?

Last, that resident who calls the cops about a burglary describes a guy with Josh's discription out 'scaling' the balcony where JS eventually admits he jumps from. This tell me he was out there way before the cops ever arrive.

So he's most likely lying again about leaping because he was scared of the cops. He uses the Ferguson thing to bolster his excuse.

What I think the police believe is that he was involved in doing something dumb, his girlfriend was probably screaming at him while he was doing it and a neighbor catches him before anything really goes wrong other than his leap.
That's my take too, so let him play and let this prove NN's point to a 'T'!

 

[mrwallace2ku]

Gaining on SEC.

Just need Oregon to win out and claim NC.

Lolz and agree...Puddles ready to do a thousand push-ups this weekend?

 

[WhiteMamba]

Lolz and agree...Puddles ready to do a thousand push-ups this weekend?

In the cold rain Oregon rolls up 60+ vs lowly Buffs

CU scores 27 or so.

 

[Not Neutral]

I was looking at that the other day asking myself the same question. Pretty cool to see 5 pac 12 south teams ranked and 6 total with oregon. The conference as a whole has come such a longs ways; Makes for good football. I'm happy with the direction our conference is headed.

The question is, can we play the games this weekend and next and not knock anyone out of the top 20? Like to see a finish with 5 top 20 teams out of six. Would say a lot even for the unranked team.

 

[WizardHawk]

Just need Oregon to win out and claim NC.

 

[WhiteMamba]

^^^ something team SEC fans never say.

Gotta love the "rogue" attitude of PAc12

 

[Vitamike]

Josh Shaw ....

 

[WhiteMamba]

When gangsta rap was real.



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[Olyduck]

In the cold rain Oregon rolls up 60+ vs lowly Buffs

CU scores 27 or so.

less than. maybe 20