THE PAC 12 THREAD v.3

[trojanfan12]

USCjust reinstated Josh Shaw.

Not surprised. Must have UCLA this week

About damn time. He should have stolen some crab legs or something so he could get a shorter suspension.

 

[mrwallace2ku]

PAC bowl projections

Pac-12 bowl projections: Week 12 - ESPN

the Beavers' win also created a more likely scenario, in which 10 Pac-12 teams will be bowl eligible. There are currently six bowl-eligible teams, but that number will grow to eight after this weekend, with Stanford playing Cal and Washington playing Oregon State. All four need just one more win to hit the threshold.

 

[trojanfan12]

glad hes back. not sure the punishment fits the crime. dragged out by law enforcement. is he even near playing shape is a good question

Seriously though, I'm glad USC handled it this way. Suspended indefinitely until law enforcement sorted it out. Let's players know that shit won't be tolerated.

 

[Olyduck]

Saturday:

Washington State @ Arizona State -16 1/2

Colorado @ Oregon -33 1/2

Arizona @ Utah -3 1/2

Stanford @ California +5 1/2

Oregon State @ Washington -6 1/2

Game of the Week ( Battle for Los Angeles): Pick final score

Southern California @ UCLA -3 1/2

UCLA 31 USC 24

 

[RegentDenali]

PAC bowl projections

Pac-12 bowl projections: Week 12 - ESPN

The Utes have got be very stoked at finally making a bowl as a PAC team and especially after all the signs of it being Wittingham's hot seat year. They finally stepped it up to play a season at PAC level and bravo.

And big kudos to Cal. They were a dumpster fire last year, especially on D, and to make it to a bowl this year would be a huge accomplishment and shows the noticeable progress Dykes has made with the team. He ended up being the right guy for the job at that school. Them making the Hawaii bowl would be a nice thing, plus the Hawaii bowl would jump at the chance of getting a PAC team into one of those slots.

All things considered with how much of transition year it turned out to be on offense with the new coach staff, I'll take the cactus bowl. Was hoping for better results given the roster, but so be it. Petersen and the coaches will have a tremendous amount of work to do in 2015 as our road game schedule will be brutal.

Looking at that list of bowls and teams, could be another great result when all the W-Ls are in.

 

[RegentDenali]

Yahh, Utes were at the Sun Bowl in 2011, but was talking recently.

 

[TheDayMan]

Saturday:

Washington State @ Arizona State -16 1/2

Colorado @ Oregon -33 1/2

Arizona @ Utah -3 1/2

Stanford @ California +5 1/2

Oregon State @ Washington -6 1/2

Game of the Week ( Battle for Los Angeles): Pick final score

Southern California @ UCLA -3 1/2

28-34

 

[nddulac]

Washington State @ Arizona State -16 1/2
Colorado @ Oregon -33 1/2
Arizona @ Utah -3 1/2
Stanford @ California +5 1/2
Oregon State @ Washington -6 1/2

Game of the Week ( Battle for Los Angeles): Pick final score
Southern California @ UCLA -3 1/2
UCLA 28, USC 24

 

[Olyduck]

Yahh, Utes were at the Sun Bowl in 2011, but was talking recently.

2011 wsnt that long ago.

If I were Utah I would hope for anything but the Vegas bowl or the Sun Bowl just because Vegas against Mountain west team and Sun was the last bowl they went to and won it so they already gots that trophy.

 

[Vitamike]

Nice pic of Matt Barkey there.

 

[Vitamike]

glad hes back. not sure the punishment fits the crime. dragged out by law enforcement. is he even near playing shape is a good question

What crime is that tfight

 

[Not Neutral]

Seriously though, I'm glad USC handled it this way. Suspended indefinitely until law enforcement sorted it out. Let's players know that shit won't be tolerated.

Disagree. In general, football is a game for thugs. Always has been. Always will be. Nice guys can play if they want to. Unless they are in jail, players should be allowed to play. If this does not set right with the institutions who sponsor football, then they should drop their football program and stop being the hypocrites they all are. While players are active for more benefits, they should also demand legal fees be paid. Any other view gives too much advantage to those institutions who go to any length to protect their criminals from justice and keep them on the field.

 

[trojanfan12]

Disagree. In general, football is a game for thugs. Always has been. Always will be. Nice guys can play if they want to. Unless they are in jail, players should be allowed to play. If this does not set right with the institutions who sponsor football, then they should drop their football program and stop being the hypocrites they all are. While players are active for more benefits, they should also demand legal fees be paid. Any other view gives too much advantage to those institutions who go to any length to protect their criminals from justice and keep them on the field.

Please tell me you just forgot to use the sarcasm font.

 

[Vitamike]

Disagree. In general, football is a game for thugs. Always has been. Always will be. Nice guys can play if they want to. Unless they are in jail, players should be allowed to play. If this does not set right with the institutions who sponsor football, then they should drop their football program and stop being the hypocrites they all are. While players are active for more benefits, they should also demand legal fees be paid. Any other view gives too much advantage to those institutions who go to any length to protect their criminals from justice and keep them on the field.

Please tell me you just forgot to use the sarcasm font.

Right?

 

[Not Neutral]

Please tell me you just forgot to use the sarcasm font.

No sarcasm intended. What I'm tired of is all the publicity players get when the stub their toe. There is no need for a higher standard or additional punishment because an offender plays football. If the same standard was applied to all, one team kicks a player of for a minor offense and another condones r*pe and worse. Otherwise, lets rate teams according to their moral standard. With your view, OJ would never have played for USC.

 

[trojanfan12]

Right?

On the off chance that he was serious. As much as I love USC's winning tradition, PAC and National Championships, etc. I'd rather they be a cellar dweller every season than have to put up with the shit that FSU fans have been putting up with this year and what we've seen other schools have to put up with in the past.

That's why, even though I think what the NCAA did to us was pure bullshit and the punishment far exceeded the crime, I haven't complained a whole lot about it and agreed with Pat Haden's decision to not sue the NCAA. I'd rather have to go through what we've had to go through for the past 5 years than having players, boosters, etc. thinking they can get away with shady crap.

 

[trojanfan12]

No sarcasm intended. What I'm tired of is all the publicity players get when the stub their toe. There is no need for a higher standard or additional punishment because an offender plays football. If the same standard was applied to all, one team kicks a player of for a minor offense and another condones r*pe and worse. Otherwise, lets rate teams according to their moral standard. With your view, OJ would never have played for USC.

Why would OJ have never played for USC? To my knowledge he was never in trouble before he came to USC and was never in trouble while he was at USC. The fact that he ended up murdering a couple of people some 30 years after he was no longer at USC, has no bearing on his career while he was at USC.

As I said in my prior post, I'd rather be a cellar dweller than win while watching FSU type crap go on all season long. Josh Shaw was important enough to the team that a pretty strong argument can be made that we may well be unbeaten if we had him available all season. But, he made a stupid decision and there was a price to pay. Personally, I'd liked to have seen USC re-instate him after 2 or 3 games even though law enforcement dragged it out far longer than necessary (probably a UCLA fan leading the investigation). But I'd rather have it dealt with the way it was than not at all.

I understand your point about other schools, etc. But that's on them and their fan base. I'd rather have a team that wins with some integrity.

 

[Not Neutral]

On the off chance that he was serious. As much as I love USC's winning tradition, PAC and National Championships, etc. I'd rather they be a cellar dweller every season than have to put up with the shit that FSU fans have been putting up with this year and what we've seen other schools have to put up with in the past.

That's why, even though I think what the NCAA did to us was pure bullshit and the punishment far exceeded the crime, I haven't complained a whole lot about it and agreed with Pat Haden's decision to not sue the NCAA. I'd rather have to go through what we've had to go through for the past 5 years than having players, boosters, etc. thinking they can get away with shady crap.

A good rant, TJ, but pure BS. USC, one of the great programs, got screwed not because of what they did but who they were. The institution maintained its innocence of the charges, so now you're trying to justify the punishment of an innocent man to take the moral high ground. But I'm not talking about the shady crap of the institutions, which is often overlooked, but the individual conduct of the players who are treated differently because they engage in sports. And these players are punished many times by not allowing them to play when they are never charged.

 

[Not Neutral]

Why would OJ have never played for USC? To my knowledge he was never in trouble before he came to USC and was never in trouble while he was at USC. The fact that he ended up murdering a couple of people some 30 years after he was no longer at USC, has no bearing on his career while he was at USC.

As I said in my prior post, I'd rather be a cellar dweller than win while watching FSU type crap go on all season long. Josh Shaw was important enough to the team that a pretty strong argument can be made that we may well be unbeaten if we had him available all season. But, he made a stupid decision and there was a price to pay. Personally, I'd liked to have seen USC re-instate him after 2 or 3 games even though law enforcement dragged it out far longer than necessary (probably a UCLA fan leading the investigation). But I'd rather have it dealt with the way it was than not at all.

I understand your point about other schools, etc. But that's on them and their fan base. I'd rather have a team that wins with some integrity.

As noted in my initial post, I disagree. I respect you point of view but I simply disagree with it because I think it amounts to severe disparate treatment. Restated: Let the institution deal with the infraction in the same manner it is dealt with for the entire student body, which is generally not at all. The football program plays football.

 

[trojanfan12]

A good rant, TJ, but pure BS. USC, one of the great programs, got screwed not because of what they did but who they were. The institution maintained its innocence of the charges, so now you're trying to justify the punishment of an innocent man to take the moral high ground. But I'm not talking about the shady crap of the institutions, which is often overlooked, but the individual conduct of the players who are treated differently because they engage in sports. And these players are punished many times by not allowing them to play when they are never charged.

I agree that we got screwed because the NCAA wanted to "bag an elephant" so they could look like they are serious about enforcement. But the bottom line is that the Bush stuff happened. While I believe that USC did not know what was going on with Bush, we also only had one compliance person at the time.

The way the Bush stuff was done, it's entirely possible that we could have had 100 people in the compliance department and not known about it. But only having one made it look like we weren't taking compliance seriously. Honestly, I think it speaks to the integrity of our players that even with only 1 compliance person, the Bush family is the only thing the NCAA found re: the football program.

I understand your point and I don't completely disagree with the sentiment. However, playing college sports on an athletic scholarship is not a right, it's a privilege and these kids need to understand that. Much is expected of them, because much is given to them.

While I think that Josh Shaw's punishment was overly harsh, especially since he ended up not being charged. The fact is, he put himself in a bad situation and then proceeded to make it worse by trying to ditch the police when he had apparently done nothing more than have a loud argument with his girlfriend and then lying to his coaches and AD about it.