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[Cobiemonster]

Any chance Buffalo would go for a Grossmann/Vinny trade for Myers?

Absolutely not

 

[Cobiemonster]

Buffalo just waived Leino. Doubt they want Vinny. Sabres probably hate to deal w us now. Lol

Sabres have tons of cap space and need to get to the floor, they could trade for Vinny and then trade Vinny elsewhere and take on a good chunk of his contract and get some value in return

 

[EVille3]

Absolutely not

just thinking out loud. i thought Myers had fallen out of favor.

 

[Cobiemonster]

just thinking out loud. i thought Myers had fallen out of favor.

Maybe he has fallen out of favor but his talent level and his age do not warrant a trade like that - you need a lot more in a deal for him than that

 

[mall3013]

Any chance Buffalo would go for a Grossmann/Vinny trade for Myers?

Doubt it, but I'd love to see what Myers could do for us.

 

[DoobeeDoobeeDoo]

I think Buffalo would be open to trade Meyers for draft picks and or prospects. You still have to dump Vinny tho, and I doubt Buffalo would want someone like Vinny.

 

[mall3013]

Why? we didn't trade them Ville? he signed as a free agent. they are the fools for giving him such a contract.

Sorry, it was meant to be sarcasm.

 

[Cobiemonster]

I think Buffalo would be open to trade Meyers for draft picks and or prospects. You still have to dump Vinny tho, and I doubt Buffalo would want someone like Vinny.

If you trade Vinny to Buffalo, Buffalo would want that contract because with all of their cap space they can take the contract and move him elsewhere, eat the contract and get some value in return

 

[awaz]

2) How is Kulikov not a sure thing? He's easily a top four d-man, he could be a top two at some point - he's just like guys like Luke Schenn in that they haven't been sure things quite yet

3) Brayden Schenn could continue to develop but what happens if he doesn't develop? I'm not trying to be the paranoid type, but people need to get out of their thoughts that the Flyers should be going for the cup next season - to me, moving Brayden Schenn and drafting a guy like Robby Fabbri is a deal where yes you don't know what you're getting theoretically but if management is smart and does their research, they know what the player can do - every player that gets drafted isn't a sure thing, sometimes you have to take a risk to get better

Overall the moves I made were for the future - yes trading Brayden Schenn is a hot topic and some people don't like it(I've made it clear that there's nothing wrong with standing pat, but he's a tradeable chip and you can't call him an untouchable, you have to see what's out there) but this is about being creative for the future - the assets that you can have on defense are really good - getting Kulikov and Marincin are two guys that add to the stable of young d-men who can move the puck and give you mobility - it improves their mobility big time - yes you move Braydon Coburn but you also get a little cap space and you improve a second line that was not very good - sometimes you have to move on from certain players and start fresh - not that Braydon Coburn is a problem, but I think some people are afraid to move him because they don't know who/what might be able to replace him, but Marincin has a lot of potential and Kulikov's been in the league for five years now and is still young, he can blossom to be a top guy - imagine if Marincin and Kulikov turn out to be really good and then you add Ghost, Robert Hagg, Samuel Morin and Mark Alt into the fold - you have so many good, solid young d-men and teams will be knocking on the door for that and you will be in a position of strength - yes, Braydon Coburn is solid but he's also a little older now and people shouldn't be that afraid of moving him, you never know what you have in certain players but teams always take risks and you can't blame them for that

Eventually the Flyers will have to move on from the current d-men they have and start to make room for the younger guys - Braydon Coburn, like Brayden Schenn, is a tradeable chip that can get you a lot of value in return and while there's nothing wrong with keeping them, you can't be married to them

As I said before, I have no problem with this team standing pat, they did make the playoffs and they should again next season, if they get to the second round it is a success - this isn't about one and done when it comes to winning the Cup next season and if you don't you have to start over - that being said, it's about being creative and not putting all of your eggs in one basket

Also, if Robby Fabbri turns out to be a Claude Giroux-type player, you guys will have no problem making that deal

I'm not trying to win now either, but you can't trade proven guys all the time with the hope that draft picks pan out. And obviously if fabri turns in to giroux it would be awesome. But if fabri turns in to Hugh jessiman you just wasted Brayden scheme for nothing. This is not the draft to trade players for random draft picks on the premise that you have to take risks to become a top flight team. After about the 4th pick everyone says it's wide open. That's because there are no standout, easily projected guys. You hope you make the right pick. Even the best scouts don't hit every time, and the flyers obviously don't have the best scouts anyway.

Standing pat isn't just something the flyers should be ok with doing. It's what they should do. Tinkering to tinker,trading on the hopes of finding a diamond in the rough like fabri or marincin or kulikov (who I still say you're overvaluing) is how you run a team in to the ground. The flyers have a lot of good players under 25, be patient. See what they turn in to before you start reorganizing everything.

 

[DoobeeDoobeeDoo]

If you trade Vinny to Buffalo, Buffalo would want that contract because with all of their cap space they can take the contract and move him elsewhere, eat the contract and get some value in return

Teams that want to fill up cap space usually look for 1-2 year contracts tho, not 5 year deals.

 

[Cobiemonster]

Teams that want to fill up cap space usually look for 1-2 year contracts tho, not 5 year deals.

Buffalo's probably in a little different situation, by the time they get Connor McDavid or whoever it may be, it's only going to be 2-3 years left on that contract, so I guess you could think of it that way

It's hard to say what's going to happen with Vinny, actually - some people think he's actually valuable, people like me think that it's going to be hard to move him, it can happen but I'm not really sure how it happens - I know the Flyers are trying like heck to move him though

 

[DoobeeDoobeeDoo]

Buffalo's probably in a little different situation, by the time they get Connor McDavid or whoever it may be, it's only going to be 2-3 years left on that contract, so I guess you could think of it that way

It's hard to say what's going to happen with Vinny, actually - some people think he's actually valuable, people like me think that it's going to be hard to move him, it can happen but I'm not really sure how it happens - I know the Flyers are trying like heck to move him though

We might have to disagree on this. Teams like the Sabres have seem to be giving away their top talent for draft picks, prospects, and players with expendable contracts. I think the teams that will show the most interest in Lacavalier will be teams that need a 2nd or 3rd line center and who missed out on Kesler or Spezza.

 

[EVille3]

Sorry, it was meant to be sarcasm.

my bad...hard to tell through text sometimes.

 

[Cobiemonster]

Anyone interested in Radim Vrbata as a free agent? 10 of his 20 goals this past season came on the power play, he'd be a good fit on one of the wings, he has speed

 

[JBM73]

Anyone interested in Radim Vrbata as a free agent? 10 of his 20 goals this past season came on the power play, he'd be a good fit on one of the wings, he has speed

Yes, solid defensively too and I believe he plays on the PK, although would he be comfortable switching to the left side? We're pretty set on the right.

 

[JBM73]

From Eklund at hockeybuzz, so....

On Steve Ott...
The Flyers love Ott and I believe are going to make him a prime target.

On Nabokov...
Speaking of the Flyers...Nabokov may be their choice to backup Mason...The Pens, Caps and Wild will be there if he isn't taken by Philly...however I wouldn't be shocked if the Flyers acquired his rights ahead of time.

 

[Cobiemonster]

From Eklund at hockeybuzz, so....

On Steve Ott...
The Flyers love Ott and I believe are going to make him a prime target.

On Nabokov...
Speaking of the Flyers...Nabokov may be their choice to backup Mason...The Pens, Caps and Wild will be there if he isn't taken by Philly...however I wouldn't be shocked if the Flyers acquired his rights ahead of time.

1) I like Steve Ott now but I don't think they're in need of a 3rd-4th line center - Scott Laughton is just fine

2) I want a younger backup, not an old guy like Nabby - and if the Flyers acquire his rights I will rage, no need to give up any type of pick for him, teams are not going to be aggressive going after Nabby, he's not that good anymore

Plus, this is Eklund so there's no point in believing any of his garbage

 

[Cobiemonster]

Yes, solid defensively too and I believe he plays on the PK, although would he be comfortable switching to the left side? We're pretty set on the right.

I did this on cap geek

Signed Radim Vrbata for 4 million a year(two years), Zach Redmond for 1 million, Al Montoya for 800k, traded Vinny to Florida and Nicklas Grossmann to Edmonton

Here's the roster:

Scott Hartnell - Claude Giroux - Jake Voracek
Radim Vrbata - Brayden Schenn - Wayne Simmonds
Jason Akeson - Sean Couturier - Matt Read
Pierre-Edouard Bellemare - Scott Laughton - Michael Raffl
Zac Rinaldo/Jay Rosehill

Mark Streit - Andrew MacDonald
Kimmo Timonen - Braydon Coburn
Luke Schenn - Zach Redmond
Oliver Lauridsen

Steve Mason
Al Montoya

$5,306,667 in cap space

 

[awaz]

From Eklund at hockeybuzz, so....

On Steve Ott...
The Flyers love Ott and I believe are going to make him a prime target.

On Nabokov...
Speaking of the Flyers...Nabokov may be their choice to backup Mason...The Pens, Caps and Wild will be there if he isn't taken by Philly...however I wouldn't be shocked if the Flyers acquired his rights ahead of time.

1) I like Steve Ott now but I don't think they're in need of a 3rd-4th line center - Scott Laughton is just fine

2) I want a younger backup, not an old guy like Nabby - and if the Flyers acquire his rights I will rage, no need to give up any type of pick for him, teams are not going to be aggressive going after Nabby, he's not that good anymore

Plus, this is Eklund so there's no point in believing any of his garbage

I actually hate Ott, but he would be a good addition to any team. The flyers don't really need him though?

If they trade for Nabakov's right's I will shit a brick. Trading for a backup goalies rights? What a massive waste that would be. No way in hell they do that. I'm fine with signing him though, 1 year contract to back up mase, that's fine w/ me.

 

[JBM73]

I actually hate Ott, but he would be a good addition to any team. The flyers don't really need him though?

If they trade for Nabakov's right's I will shit a brick. Trading for a backup goalies rights? What a massive waste that would be. No way in hell they do that. I'm fine with signing him though, 1 year contract to back up mase, that's fine w/ me.

1) Perhaps as the 3rd line LW or 4th line C if Laughton isn't ready?

2) Agree