The 2024-2025 NBA Basketball Season

[tlance]

so what…

He makes mistakes

Anyone would still want him on their team

The acting out is the problem…

I believe fans don’t like seein a stud go out like a putz

Every player ever makes mistakes.

Even you, believe it or not.

 

[Pastafazul]

I am criticizing MJ by disagreeing with someone who said MJ would have been one of the best 3 point shooters in the league if he played today?

That isn’t criticism. That is applying facts and logic.

You are all over the place. You are coming at me for disagreeing with a statement you clearly don’t agree with. How about checking the person who said it?

He’s confident in saying MJ would have been one of the best…

so what, it’s what he believes.

You have a problem with that cause you believe it wasn’t in MJ’s skill set …

So what, it’s what you believe

 

[shopson67]

How far you gonna dig yourself?

Ask yourself that question

 

[tlance]

Did Jordan ever play against one of the best teams in NBA history in b2b finals?

If prime Jordan got in a Time Machine and played for the 2017 Brooklyn Nets, they would have made the Finals and beaten the Warriors because Jordan is God and he doesn’t lose Finals.

I mean, I thought that was just facts everyone knew.

 

[tlance]

He’s confident in saying MJ would have been one of the best…

so what, it’s what he believes.

You have a problem with that cause you believe it wasn’t in MJ’s skill set …

So what, it’s what you believe

Yes. Good summary mostly.

You are only missing that I am using facts against his blind optimism. But otherwise this is the first accurate account you have made in this back and forth.

And I don’t have a problem with it. Anyone is free to have any crazy opinion they want.

But when they do put something like that out for consumption, I will always make fun of it.

 

[Pastafazul]

Ask yourself that question

I did…

I dig myself a lot!!

 

[Pastafazul]

Yes. Good summary mostly.

You are only missing that I am using facts against his blind optimism. But otherwise this is the first accurate account you have made in this back and forth.

And I don’t have a problem with it. Anyone is free to have any crazy opinion they want.

But when they do put something like that out for consumption, I will always make fun of it.

Dude, you can’t prove a dam thing about what would or could have been either…

you’re entitled to your opinion, but you’re not entitled to your own facts

 

[tlance]

Dude, you can’t prove a dam thing about what would or could have been either…

you’re entitled to your opinion, but you’re not entitled to your own facts

I’m not the one making absolutes.

That was him.

 

[thunderc]

Oh I agree completely. I am always preaching that.

But they do matter for these accolades.

It is why Allen Iverson finished top 10 in DPOY voting 1 year.

Voters are a little better today, but if they are looking at SGA vs Dort, I bet they give the nod to SGA because of the name brand and the defensive stats.

The Thunder have 3 of the top 6 perimeter defenders in the league with Dort, SGA and Jdub. Throw Caruso in there and it will be hard for any of them to win it. Dort is the guy though and the whole team agrees with that. He has to be first team all defense or they need to quit doing it.

 

[thunderc]

Read this earlier and it’s for the people out there calling Shai a foul merchant. In this century there have been 32 guys that have averaged 30 points a game. Of those 32 guys Shai is 23rd in free throw attempts per game. Enough of that bullshit.

 

[trojanfan12]

That is not on the player in any way.

That is on the officials and more realistically the league office.

If that stuff gets called, players won’t do it. If it doesn’t get called, why wouldn’t you take an extra step from time to time to gain an advantage?

Any competitor is going to take advantage of potential calls that officials are ignoring.

Different sport, but it's a derivative of the philosophy the Seahawks Legion of Boom had. Their DB's played a very physical style and they got away with a fair amount PI and holding because they put the onus on the refs to call it figuring they wouldn't/couldn't call everything.

In the NBA, if a ref is going to let you get away with an extra step or palming the ball...you absolutely do it if you're trying to win.

Except, of course, MJ who according to the brilliant analysis of some of the basketball masterminds on here...never had to resort to such tactics. lol

 

[tlance]

Different sport, but it's a derivative of the philosophy the Seahawks Legion of Boom had. Their DB's played a very physical style and they got away with a fair amount PI and holding because they put the onus on the refs to call it figuring they wouldn't/couldn't call everything.

In the NBA, if a ref is going to let you get away with an extra step or palming the ball...you absolutely do it if you're trying to win.

Except, of course, MJ who according to the brilliant analysis of some of the basketball masterminds on here...never had to resort to such tactics. lol

Would be dumb not to.

“The other team is holding my guys, and the refs aren’t calling it, but I’m going to play it clean because I respect the integrity of the game too much”.

Said no competitor ever.

 

[Pastafazul]

Would be dumb not to.

“The other team is holding my guys, and the refs aren’t calling it, but I’m going to play it clean because I respect the integrity of the game too much”.

Said no competitor ever

lol, always the second guy that gets called

More great advice

 

[Retroram52]

That is not on the player in any way.

That is on the officials and more realistically the league office.

If that stuff gets called, players won’t do it. If it doesn’t get called, why wouldn’t you take an extra step from time to time to gain an advantage?

Any competitor is going to take advantage of potential calls that officials are ignoring.

"This is not on the player in any way" Seriously? Your statement indicates a player is not only willing but should be encouraged to sacrifice the integrity of the game to "win" at any cost. Is it any wonder we have kids in middle school and high school athletics doing the same shit just to win?

I think we should put trampolines on every court in pro cities and bring back Slam Ball!! Then every player can do what he wants to "win".

 

[tlance]

"This is not on the player in any way" Seriously? Your statement indicates a player is not only willing but should be encouraged to sacrifice the integrity of the game to "win" at any cost. Is any wonder we have kids in middle school and high school athletics doing the same shit just to win?

I think we should put trampolines on every court in pro cities and bring back Slam Ball!! Then every player can do what he wants to "win".

The way the game is called has changed.

This isn’t about integrity at all.

It is about playing by the same rules as everyone else.

If the refs consistently stop calling something, players adjust to it, and yes, use it to their advantage.

And yes, it is dumb not to do that.

 

[Retroram52]

Would be dumb not to.

“The other team is holding my guys, and the refs aren’t calling it, but I’m going to play it clean because I respect the integrity of the game too much”.

Said no competitor ever.

What? I played the game by the rules and in Competitve Powerlifting, you get called on the spot and then you are screwed? You get removed from the competition that day. Personally, I know of several local scholastic programs that play by the rules of the game and the coaches demand protecting the Integrity of the Game or they don't play in that school ever again.

 

[tlance]

lol, always the second guy that gets called

More great advice

LOL.

No, not talking about retaliation.

Talking about adjusting to how the game is officiated and playing accordingly.

Leagues change what calls get emphasized every year.

 

[Retroram52]

The way the game is called has changed.

This isn’t about integrity at all.

It is about playing by the same rules as everyone else.

If the refs consistently stop calling something, players adjust to it, and yes, use it to their advantage.

And yes, it is dumb not to do that.

Yea I get the gist of what you are saying, tlance. I am railing against the rabbit hole many Sports Professions have gone down to protect only winning and perhaps that is one of the reasons the NBA TV ratings continue decline. Alot of young people don't watch sports anymore for this reason and many others.

 

[tlance]

What? I played the game by the rules and in Competitve Powerlifting, you get called on the spot and then you are screwed? You get removed from the cpompetition that day. Personally, I know of several local scholastic programs that play by the rules of the game and the coaches demand protecting the Integrity of the Game or they don't play in tht school ever again.

Not sure what you are talking about.

But the rest of us are talking about traveling being officiated differently in basketball today vs. 40 years ago.

You are blaming the wrong people.

 

[Pastafazul]

The way the game is called has changed.

This isn’t about integrity at all.

It is about playing by the same rules as everyone else.

If the refs consistently stop calling something, players adjust to it, and yes, use it to their advantage.

And yes, it is dumb not to do that.

Bull crap


The players are the ones dictating the game not the refs

The clutchin in grabbin is so rampant the refs , like nfl refs , hands are tied!

LOL.

No, not talking about retaliation.

Talking about adjusting to how the game is officiated and playing accordingly.

Leagues change what calls get emphasized every year.

that is my point

Ya think the ref ain’t gonna call something cause he didn’t call it on other team , you would chance that?

That’s crazy