The 2024-2025 NBA Basketball Season

[bksballer89]

So? They had most of the things he brought, just not in one player. They gave up a real chance with how they were built.

Yep and Luka is a better offensive player than he is

 

[trojanfan12]

What I meant was I don’t see how they could ever say it gives them a better chance than they had.

It gives them a better chance because AD filled a hole for them.

Kyrie and Luka gave them two playmakers, but they had a bit of a hole in the middle of their lineup.

They lost Luka's playmaking, which is significant, but at the time of the trade, they still had Kyrie. So, they basically lost something of a redundancy but gained a post presence.

The real issue with this trade, aside from the fact that Luka was beloved in Dallas, is that AD is 6 years older.

So, while they may have increased their title chances, they also shortened their window.

 

[DJ Fieri]

It gives them a better chance because AD filled a hole for them.

Kyrie and Luka gave them to playmakers, but they had a bit of a hole in the middle of their lineup.

They lost Luka's playmaking, which is significant, but at the time of the trade, they still had Kyrie. So, they basically lost something of a redundancy but gained a post presence.

Exactly.

 

[thunderc]

It gives them a better chance because AD filled a hole for them.

Kyrie and Luka gave them to playmakers, but they had a bit of a hole in the middle of their lineup.

They lost Luka's playmaking, which is significant, but at the time of the trade, they still had Kyrie. So, they basically lost something of a redundancy but gained a post presence.

The real issue with this trade, aside from the fact that Luka was beloved in Dallas, is that AD is 6 years older.

So, while they may have increased their title chances, they also shortened their window.

You are the only person anywhere I have seen say it actually gives them a better chance at any point. I don’t see it, he’s not that guy and never has been.

 

[DJ Fieri]

You are the only person anywhere I have seen say it actually gives them a better chance at any point. I don’t see it, he’s not that guy and never has been.

Teams that win a title have a post presence, look at Boston from last season.

The Nuggets in 2023.

The Bucks in 2021.

The Lakers in 2020.

Etc.

 

[trojanfan12]

You are the only person anywhere I have seen say it actually gives them a better chance at any point. I don’t see it, he’s not that guy and never has been.

He's not "that guy" has nothing to do with it. He doesn't have to be "that guy" to increase their chances of winning. He didn't have to be "that guy" when the Lakers won a title with him because Lebron was "that guy"...but the Lakers don't get that title without AD.

In this case, the Mavs had Kyrie to be "that guy".

AD isn't ever going to be "Batman"...but he's about as good as a "Robin" gets.

 

[thunderc]

He's not "that guy" has nothing to do with it. He doesn't have to be "that guy" to increase their chances of winning. He didn't have to be "that guy" when the Lakers won a title with him because Lebron was "that guy"...but the Lakers don't get that title without AD.

In this case, the Mavs had Kyrie to be "that guy".

AD isn't ever going to be "Batman"...but he's about as good as a "Robin" gets.

So you trade a Batman to end up with 2 Robins.

 

[bksballer89]

So you trade a Batman to end up with 2 Robins.

Yea I don’t see how swapping Luka for AD increased their title chances. A healthy Mavs team would be a title contender but not as high as they were with Luka

 

[bksballer89]

What post presence did Boston or Milwaukee have? Boston won because they shoot a shit ton of 3s. KP is a stretch 5

Milwaukee also didn’t have any real post presence when they won as well

 

[trojanfan12]

So you trade a Batman to end up with 2 Robins.

No, as I posted, (you actually quoted it), the idea was that Kyrie would be Batman.

To be clear, as with @Stakesarehigh I'm not saying it was a good trade for the Mavs...the Lakers clearly won the trade...it's just not as bad a trade as some are making it out to be.

And to be completely fair, some of what makes it "not as bad" is Max Christie being in the trade. He was starting to come into his own with the Lakers and from the few times I've seen the Mavs since the trade, seems to be doing even better in Dallas. He'll have to develop into an all-star (which isn't likely) for this trade to get close to even though.

 

[DJ Fieri]

He's not "that guy" has nothing to do with it. He doesn't have to be "that guy" to increase their chances of winning. He didn't have to be "that guy" when the Lakers won a title with him because Lebron was "that guy"...but the Lakers don't get that title without AD.

In this case, the Mavs had Kyrie to be "that guy".

AD isn't ever going to be "Batman"...but he's about as good as a "Robin" gets.

Yep.

 

[DJ Fieri]

No, as I posted, (you actually quoted it), the idea was that Kyrie would be Batman.

To be clear, as with @Stakesarehigh I'm not saying it was a good trade for the Mavs...the Lakers clearly won the trade...it's just not as bad a trade as some are making it out to be.

And to be completely fair, some of what makes it "not as bad" is Max Christie being in the trade. He was starting to come into his own with the Lakers and from the few times I've seen the Mavs since the trade, seems to be doing even better in Dallas. He'll have to develop into an all-star (which isn't likely) for this trade to get close to even though.

Yep.

100%.

 

[DJ Fieri]

Kai Jones has been a nice revelation for the Mavs at C. He had 15 points, 7 rebounds, 4 steals, 3 assists, and 2 blocks last night. Wasn't his first good game for them either.

Kid might be a keeper....

 

[Pastafazul]

No dude.

I’m not criticizing him at all.

I’m refuting a claim made by someone who literally believes he was a god

Go back and read the full conversation.

Why do need to BS so much?

Of course you are criticizing, we all do that, it’s what makes these forums entertaining

 

[trojanfan12]

As I said when the trade happened, this was 2 things...Dallas not wanting to pay Luka and Dallas pushing all of their chips to the middle to win a title with Kyrie within the next couple of seasons.

If it works, all will be forgiven in Dallas (mostly anyway). If it doesn't...it may get ugly among the fans when Dallas is in a rebuild.

 

[trojanfan12]

Why do need to BS so much?

Of course you are criticizing, we all do that, it’s what makes these forums entertaining

I see that we can add criticism to the list of words that you don't know the meaning of.

 

[bksballer89]

As I said when the trade happened, this was 2 things...Dallas not wanting to pay Luka and Dallas pushing all of their chips to the middle to win a title with Kyrie within the next couple of seasons.

If it works, all will be forgiven in Dallas (mostly anyway). If it doesn't...it may get ugly among the fans when Dallas is in a rebuild.

Only way Mavs fans forgive them is if they are in a conference finals or finals by 2027. If not they are going to be in rebuild mode

 

[DJ Fieri]

Looking forward to that Lakers vs Mavs game.

AD probably going to go off for 40-45 vs Hayes.....LOL.

 

[Pastafazul]

You're making one stretch coming off a groin injury at age 40 as evidence that he's soft? You're better than that....unless you have an agenda.

Leflop is brain fartin every stinkin game he plays , whether it’s age or he just thinks he can get away with everything… I’m goin with the latter.

Again , I’m no hater of LeFlops career, imo , he is certainly not goin out on top as far as how he conducts himself mentally

 

[Stakesarehigh]

No, as I posted, (you actually quoted it), the idea was that Kyrie would be Batman.

To be clear, as with @Stakesarehigh I'm not saying it was a good trade for the Mavs...the Lakers clearly won the trade...it's just not as bad a trade as some are making it out to be.

And to be completely fair, some of what makes it "not as bad" is Max Christie being in the trade. He was starting to come into his own with the Lakers and from the few times I've seen the Mavs since the trade, seems to be doing even better in Dallas. He'll have to develop into an all-star (which isn't likely) for this trade to get close to even though.

As I said when the trade happened, this was 2 things...Dallas not wanting to pay Luka and Dallas pushing all of their chips to the middle to win a title with Kyrie within the next couple of seasons.

If it works, all will be forgiven in Dallas (mostly anyway). If it doesn't...it may get ugly among the fans when Dallas is in a rebuild.

Not paying Luka is a ridiculous starting point.

Its already ugly from a fan standpoint.