Exactly!! couldn't have played out better. Sashi to tank, and Dorsey to finish the job. I'd have liked to have seen Sashi stick around and help in a Paul D type role (with Paul D) but I guess someone had to be the scapegoat since it wasn't Hue.
They say over the course of time, most good GMs revert to the mean and are proven average.
do you really not understand he was not the GM?
Can't say enough I like Dorsey, but he does strike me as a guy who could let his ego get in the way. He was not shy about saying he didn't care about analytics, then he'd make a comment that shows he does, in fact, care. As does every GM. It's so funny hearing "football guys" try and dismiss analytics.
And why did KC fire Dorsey?
Yeah, I think Dorsey definitely would've come here in 2016. No questions asked. We still had a lot of cap space, and we had the #2 pick in the draft. It might've been a different in terms of what players are currently on the Browns, but I think we would probably be a really good team right now. One thing about Dorsey is he's unpredictable and keeps his decisions close to the vest, so who knows who he would've gone after. I know he would've cleaned house on some of our shitty 2016 players to create even more space, and I fully believe we'd be a really good team right now.
Oh I get it perfectly fine. My problem is acting as if he deserves the same amount of credit as Dorsey, or that he was somehow doing some brilliant thing. He was tanking, big deal. That doesn't take some intricate knowledge or ability.
We'll see with Dorsey. He's proven that he has no problem with getting rid of players that others might not if it's for the greater good, a la Zeitler or Peppers (coming off a strong season).
Honestly, because they're idiots. He built their team that was a LB being offsides by 3 inches away from being in the Super Bowl.
He cares about analytics obviously but there is a difference of looking at analytics and actually understanding analytics.
If he wasn't the GM, then why is he even in this discussion when we're talking about our current GM? Sounds like if you acknowledge he didn't have the same role Dorsey does, then you're comparing apples to oranges.
That's the beauty of Dorsey. He'll say whatever he wants just to give people an answer, but at the end of the day only he knows how his brain works and what moves he's going to make. I love it.
we'll have to agree to disagree on whether Dorsey would have come in 2016.
I wonder how many times you will say this before realizing most GMs don't have the stones to do it and would rateher try to be mediocre......often without a QB.
Because you had the absurd notion to think he sucked at what he did.
I do love the guy but if he makes a foolish comment I'd point it out. You seem to want to believe everything he's done has been perfect, and Sashi did nothing right.
I'm saying giving him more credit than he's due. People trying to say Dorsey's only been good because of what Sashi did are really belittling the greatness of the moves Dorsey has made. And in the past, the Browns have absolutely traded back to get draft capital while not spending money. The problem is, when it was time to use the picks, they were used horribly. Look at Ray Farmer for a perfect example of this.
Again, my question - if Sashi was so smart and did such a great job, wouldn't he still be with Cleveland? He tanked. I get it. Do you think he did it with the knowledge he was going to get fired right away? My guess is no.
If we're comparing him to Dorsey, then we're thinking of him as the GM. If he was the Browns GM right now, we wouldn't be anywhere close to what we are now.
Oh absolutely. I think you have to take what these guys say with a grain of salt. They're not going to be completely honest, because once you do that, people are then able to get a read on you and you aren't as effective. Part of why he's successful is that he's unpredictable.
