Texas Rangers 2021 - 2022 Offseason Thread

[DTC]

Olson is good and all but unnecessary at this juncture, that's the epitome of making a trade to make a trade

With only 2 years left, I agree.
Would definitely like to see where all our prospects end up over the next 1-2 years.
If we do trade I’d rather it be for guys with 3+ years of control left

I do understand we may need to trade for a pitcher with 1-2 years left to act as a bridge depending on how the FA market shakes out

 

[jta4437]

With only 2 years left, I agree.
Would definitely like to see where all our prospects end up over the next 1-2 years.
If we do trade I’d rather it be for guys with 3+ years of control left

I do understand we may need to trade for a pitcher with 1-2 years left to act as a bridge depending on how the FA market shakes out

Personally, the only bridge I'm interested in acquiring is Kershaw, I'd like to see how our starters grow next year, then acquire a pitcher in 2023 if needed, either through trade or FA,
Gray
Hearn
Dunning
Alexy
Otto
Allard and others would suffice for me, growing pains for sure, but we would have a much better idea of what we have and how many starters we actually need to acquire in 2023

 

[DTC]

Personally, the only bridge I'm interested in acquiring is Kershaw, I'd like to see how our starters grow next year, then acquire a pitcher in 2023 if needed, either through trade or FA,
Gray
Hearn
Dunning
Alexy
Otto
Allard and others would suffice for me, growing pains for sure, but we would have a much better idea of what we have and how many starters we actually need to acquire in 2023

Is Cole Winn ready for the MLB?
Will he be ready come June?
If so, I’m on board with letting our young guys find their way.
Maybe just a 1 year guy on the cheap to eat innings if needed..
Im curious how John King would do in the rotation..
I really don’t want Kolby Allard in the rotation.
K/9 too low, HR/9 too high.

 

[jta4437]

Personally, the only bridge I'm interested in acquiring is Kershaw, I'd like to see how our starters grow next year, then acquire a pitcher in 2023 if needed, either through trade or FA,
Gray
Hearn
Dunning
Alexy
Otto
Allard and others would suffice for me, growing pains for sure, but we would have a much better idea of what we have and how many starters we actually need to acquire in 2023

Add Howard to that... I guess

 

[jta4437]

Is Cole Winn ready for the MLB?
Will he be ready come June?
If so, I’m on board with letting our young guys find their way.
Maybe just a 1 year guy on the cheap to eat innings if needed..
Im curious how John King would do in the rotation..
I really don’t want Kolby Allard in the rotation.
K/9 too low, HR/9 too high.

If not next year, he should be by 2023

 

[saddles]

Is Cole Winn ready for the MLB?
Will he be ready come June?
If so, I’m on board with letting our young guys find their way.
Maybe just a 1 year guy on the cheap to eat innings if needed..
Im curious how John King would do in the rotation..
I really don’t want Kolby Allard in the rotation.
K/9 too low, HR/9 too high.

I think if Winn does as well this year as he did last year, that they would consider him in July or early August. I have heard that both Vanasco and Leiter coukd be up here in September. Both Kent and Henriquez should be available to come up should they be needed, about the same time Winn will be.

Allard is just as good in the rotation as a lot of our starters have been over the last few years. He is not a piece in a highly competitive team's rotation, by any means, but he would be a decent bridge for some of those guys I mentioned previously.

 

[jta4437]

I think if Winn does as well this year as he did last year, that they would consider him in July or early August. I have heard that both Vanasco and Leiter coukd be up here in September. Both Kent and Henriquez should be available to come up should they be needed, about the same time Winn will be.

Allard is just as good in the rotation as a lot of our starters have been over the last few years. He is not a piece in a highly competitive team's rotation, by any means, but he would be a decent bridge for some of those guys I mentioned previously.

I knew you would add a couple guys, and agreed about Allard

Hopefully 2-3 of those guys make a leap this year, and Hearn and Dunning can continue to make progress

 

[DTC]

I’m not a big fan of Kolby Allard as a SP..
I would rather see John King get a shot in the rotation.
Or just go ahead and call up Cole Winn or Yerry Rodriguez or Cody Bradford.
Allard would make a good long reliever maybe
Or just a straight up RP.

 

[saddles]

I’m not a big fan of Kolby Allard as a SP..
I would rather see John King get a shot in the rotation.
Or just go ahead and call up Cole Winn or Yerry Rodriguez or Cody Bradford.
Allard would make a good long reliever maybe
Or just a straight up RP.

He had a stretch of 4 bad starts in July. Before that he had 6 starts with an ERA of about 3.50. After the bad stretch he had another decent stretch of 7 games, with an ERA of about 4.50. And all of that is after transition to a starter after pitching out of the pen for quite awhile. The numbers show he is a passable starter. You are choosing to ignore that for some reason.

 

[jta4437]

I’m not a big fan of Kolby Allard as a SP..
I would rather see John King get a shot in the rotation.
Or just go ahead and call up Cole Winn or Yerry Rodriguez or Cody Bradford.
Allard would make a good long reliever maybe
Or just a straight up RP.

Im sure plenty of people will get their shot this year, between injuries, ineffectiveness, and /or innings limits

 

[DTC]

He had a stretch of 4 bad starts in July. Before that he had 6 starts with an ERA of about 3.50. After the bad stretch he had another decent stretch of 7 games, with an ERA of about 4.50. And all of that is after transition to a starter after pitching out of the pen for quite awhile. The numbers show he is a passable starter. You are choosing to ignore that for some reason.

I’m not ignoring anything.
He was a - WAR player.
W/L 3-12
Just about led the league in HR/9 of any pitcher with 120 IP if it wasn’t for Folty lol.
He’s still young and definitely shows some signs of being a decent pitcher but I don’t see it materializing.


Here’s a list of the worst SP by WAR from 2021.

Major League Leaderboards - 2021 - Pitching | FanGraphs Baseball

www.fangraphs.com

The 3 worst? Lyles, Folty and Allard

I think we can do better
I think we already have better

 

[jta4437]

I’m not ignoring anything.
He was a - WAR player.
W/L 3-12
Just about led the league in HR/9 of any pitcher with 120 IP if it wasn’t for Folty lol.
He’s still young and definitely shows some signs of being a decent pitcher but I don’t see it materializing.


Here’s a list of the worst SP by WAR from 2021.

Major League Leaderboards - 2021 - Pitching | FanGraphs Baseball

www.fangraphs.com

The 3 worst? Lyles, Folty and Allard

I think we can do better
I think we already have better

Everyone will get their chance, I'm sure, plenty of opportunities next year for 4 slots

Also record doesn't mean much, we had no offense most days

 

[saddles]

I’m not ignoring anything.
He was a - WAR player.
W/L 3-12
Just about led the league in HR/9 of any pitcher with 120 IP if it wasn’t for Folty lol.
He’s still young and definitely shows some signs of being a decent pitcher but I don’t see it materializing.


Here’s a list of the worst SP by WAR from 2021.

Major League Leaderboards - 2021 - Pitching | FanGraphs Baseball

www.fangraphs.com

The 3 worst? Lyles, Folty and Allard

I think we can do better
I think we already have better

He just needs to be a bridge, not a longtime member of the rotation.

He has 35 starts spread out mostly over the last 3 years. They moved him from the pen to the rotation last year which is usually not a good thing for a pitcher. There is a good chance he could continue to improve if given a consistent role for awhile.

There is a very good chance that if he is in the rotation he will be the number 5 starter. That means once one of Otto, Alexy, Kent, Rodriguez, or Henriquez shows they are better than him, he will be put in the pen. All I am saying is we will not be that bad off if he gets the chance to pick up 10 to 12 starts at the beginning of the year. Then, either he is doing good enough to stay in that spot(ERA 4.50 - 5.00), and we keep him there, if not, at least one of those other guys will be able to step in. Who knows, maybe even Arihara or Burke could replace him if he needs to be replaced. He can start the season in the rotation and we will be fine.

 

[DTC]

He just needs to be a bridge, not a longtime member of the rotation.

He has 35 starts spread out mostly over the last 3 years. They moved him from the pen to the rotation last year which is usually not a good thing for a pitcher. There is a good chance he could continue to improve if given a consistent role for awhile.

There is a very good chance that if he is in the rotation he will be the number 5 starter. That means once one of Otto, Alexy, Kent, Rodriguez, or Henriquez shows they are better than him, he will be put in the pen. All I am saying is we will not be that bad off if he gets the chance to pick up 10 to 12 starts at the beginning of the year. Then, either he is doing good enough to stay in that spot(ERA 4.50 - 5.00), and we keep him there, if not, at least one of those other guys will be able to step in. Who knows, maybe even Arihara or Burke could replace him if he needs to be replaced. He can start the season in the rotation and we will be fine.

Yeah, he is still pretty young. Did have some good stretches.. guess it wouldn’t be terrible to have him make 10 starts over the first 2 months and go from there..

 

[jta4437]

He just needs to be a bridge, not a longtime member of the rotation.

He has 35 starts spread out mostly over the last 3 years. They moved him from the pen to the rotation last year which is usually not a good thing for a pitcher. There is a good chance he could continue to improve if given a consistent role for awhile.

There is a very good chance that if he is in the rotation he will be the number 5 starter. That means once one of Otto, Alexy, Kent, Rodriguez, or Henriquez shows they are better than him, he will be put in the pen. All I am saying is we will not be that bad off if he gets the chance to pick up 10 to 12 starts at the beginning of the year. Then, either he is doing good enough to stay in that spot(ERA 4.50 - 5.00), and we keep him there, if not, at least one of those other guys will be able to step in. Who knows, maybe even Arihara or Burke could replace him if he needs to be replaced. He can start the season in the rotation and we will be fine.

Agreed, point is we have plenty of young guys to cycle through and figure out what they have, and Allard is probably one of the 1st on the chopping block

 

[True Rangers Fan]

Allard seems like a dude that needs to be given a set role. I like his stuff but he needs to develop an out pitch.

 

[Uncle Siggy]

Enjoy and discuss what you think about proposals made by both sides of the table whether they're good, bad, ugly, irrelevant, needless to say this isn't a full list but should do for now...

Key proposals in Major League Baseball labor negotiations

Some of the key areas in collective bargaining between Major League Baseball and the Major League Baseball Players Association heading into the expiration of the collective bargaining agreement at 11:59 p.m. EST Wednesday, as obtained by The Associated Press. This is only a partial list of...

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FREE AGENCY

MLB: Would keep existing system or change eligibility to age 29.5 rather than six years of major league service, which it has been since 1976.
MLBPA: Would keep existing system for 2022-23 offseason, then would for 2023-24 and 2024-25 offseasons make eligibility six years of service or five years of service and age 30.5, whichever comes earlier, and then for 2025-26 offseason and later, six years of service or five years of service and age 29.5, whichever comes earlier.

FREE AGENT DRAFT PICK COMPENSATION

MLB: Would agree to eliminate penalties for teams signing free agents who turned down a qualifying offer. Draft pick compensation has existed since 1976.

SALARY ARBITRATION

MLB: Would keep current system or replace it with salaries based primarily on award recognition and career Fangraphs WAR, saying the change would address MLBPA’s concerns about paying younger players based on value. Players currently eligible for arbitration under the expired CBA would be grandfathered and have the choice of salary arbitration or the new system.
MLBPA: Would lower eligibility to two years of major league service, its level from 1974 through 1986, when it increased to three years. In the expired agreement, it was three years plus the top 22% by service time of players with at least two years but less than three years.

LUXURY TAX
Threshold was $210 million in 2021, with tax rates of 20% for first offender, 30% for exceeding in consecutive years and 50% for exceeding in three or more consecutive years. Surcharge for exceeding $230 million and $250 million.

MLB: Proposed raising threshold to $214 million in 2022 and offered an option of a $100 million payroll minimum funded by a 25% tax on payrolls above $180 million. Tax threshold would rise to $220 million in final season.
MLBPA: Proposed raising threshold starting at $245 million for the 2022 season and eliminating non-tax penalties.

SERVICE TIME

MLBPA: Made proposals aimed to prevent what it says is service-time manipulation, including allow accruing of service time for rookies for awards and special accomplishments.
MLB: Rejected MLBPA proposals

AMATEUR DRAFT

MLB: Proposed an NBA/NHL-style draft lottery for top three selections.
MLBPA: Accepted the concept of a weighted lottery but would expand the number of teams to eight and make adjustments designed to incentivize competition.

PRE-ARBITRATION PLAYERS

MLBPA: Proposed pool from central revenues for pre-arbitration players, to be allocated based on award recognition and WAR.
MLB: Smaller pool funded from revenue, partly from expanded playoffs and luxury tax proceeds currently assigned to other purposes.

MINIMUM SALARY

Usually one of the last items addressed. Was $570,500 in the major leagues in 2021, $46,600 in the minor leagues for a player signing his initial major league contract and $93,000 in the minor leagues for a player signing a second or later major league contract.

Both sides would raise minimum but disagree on amounts.

POSTSEASON

MLB: Would expand postseason from 10 to 14 teams, with wild cards increasing from two per league to four. Division winner with best record in each league would advance directly to Division Series, and the other two division winners and wild-card teams would start in a best-of-three round.
The division winner with the second-best record would choose its opponent from among the three lowest-seeded wild-card teams. The division winner with the third-best record would then get to pick from among the remaining two wild cards. The top wild card would face whichever team is left over after the division winners make their choices.
MLBPA: 12-team expanded playoffs and possible realignment to two divisions per league, subject to agreement on MLBPA economic proposals.

DESIGNATED HITTER

MLB has offered to accept MLBPA’s proposal to extend the designated hitter to the National League, subject to agreement on postseason expansion. The DH has been used in the American League since 1973 and was used in both leagues during the pandemic-shortened 2020 season.

UNIFORMS ADVERTISEMENTS

MLB: Proposed adding uniform advertising patches.
MLBPA: Would agree, subject to agreement on MLBPA economic proposals.

REVENUE SHARING

MLBPA says MLB has rejected all its proposed changes and indicated that it would not agree to any changes. MLB says the changes would eliminate $100 million of revenue sharing money currently going to small-market teams in a system that has been largely in place since the 1997 agreement.

INTERNATIONAL DRAFT

MLB has proposed an international draft, which the MLBPA has long opposed.

ON-FIELD RULES CHANGES

MLB proposed a joint committee, including at least four active players, to discuss potential on-field rule changes.

LENGTH

TBD

 

[saddles]

 

[Kelleyman]

Allard seems like a dude that needs to be given a set role. I like his stuff but he needs to develop an out pitch.

You kind of need an out pitch if you are a pitcher

 

[Kelleyman]

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