Tanaka to be posted

[StanMarsh51]

If the Dodgers weren't so willing to throw away millions of dollars the Red Sox would still have guys like Crawford, Gonzalez & Beckett on their team. All with horrible contracts. The new GM of the Red Sox cleaned up Theo's mess. Matsuzaka worked out well didn't he. LOL. Theo is very overrated as a GM as far as I'm concerned.

I think part of the question is whether all those things you mentioned were Theo's doing? It's like Brian Cashman with A-Rod's awful deal, where it was really Hank Steinbrenner who pushed for it (which kind of makes the situation out of the GM's hands when the owner intervenes like that).

If I recall, John Henry was the one who really wanted and pushed for Dice-K (I remember hearing the story about Henry having Dice-K fly on his private jet to meet him personally and all that stuff).

One of the things Theo said which led to his problems with ownership was that ownership wanted big name players that would draw, and pointed to Adrian Gonzalez as one of those guys in that interview.

I don't know who was responsible for Crawford, but he doesn't seem like a Theo guy. I mean, Theo didn't re-sign Pedro nor Damon because he was only willing to sign them to 3 year deals and they wanted 4...it doesn't seem like a Theo thing to just go and sign Crawford to a 7 year deal. I may be wrong on that, but that's my initial hunch.

So I don't think you can necessarily pin everything on Theo, because when an owner intervenes on a certain deal, is it necessarily the GM's fault?

 

[DaBoltsNIsles]

I think part of the question is whether all those things you mentioned were Theo's doing? It's like Brian Cashman with A-Rod's awful deal, where it was really Hank Steinbrenner who pushed for it (which kind of makes the situation out of the GM's hands when the owner intervenes like that).

If I recall, John Henry was the one who really wanted and pushed for Dice-K (I remember hearing the story about Henry having Dice-K fly on his private jet to meet him personally and all that stuff).

One of the things Theo said which led to his problems with ownership was that ownership wanted big name players that would draw, and pointed to Adrian Gonzalez as one of those guys in that interview.

I don't know who was responsible for Crawford, but he doesn't seem like a Theo guy. I mean, Theo didn't re-sign Pedro nor Damon because he was only willing to sign them to 3 year deals and they wanted 4...it doesn't seem like a Theo thing to just go and sign Crawford to a 7 year deal. I may be wrong on that, but that's my initial hunch.

So I don't think you can necessarily pin everything on Theo, because when an owner intervenes on a certain deal, is it necessarily the GM's fault?

The Red Sox gave up nothing for Gonzalez. It was a foregone conclusion that they were going to sign him to a longterm deal. I have a hard time believing Theo wasn't happy about it at the time. The Crawford deal surprised me. I didn't think he would get that big of a contract. The bottom line is this, part of the GM's job is to advise ownership on what the team needs & what players they should pursue. The GM also gets information from other members of management below him like the ASST GM & of course the teams scouts who are situated all over the country & Toronto. Henry might have been the driving force behind getting Matsuzaka, but I have a hard time believing the baseball people within the organization didn't do their homework on him. Every team makes mistakes. Theo left the Red Sox in a tough position in terms of bad contracts. It probably wasn't all his fault, but he was the GM when those players were signed, so he has to take some responsibility. Just like the current GM gets plenty of credit for what he did to get rid of those contracts & build a World Series winner.

 

[StanMarsh51]

The Red Sox gave up nothing for Gonzalez. It was a foregone conclusion that they were going to sign him to a longterm deal. I have a hard time believing Theo wasn't happy about it at the time. The Crawford deal surprised me. I didn't think he would get that big of a contract. The bottom line is this, part of the GM's job is to advise ownership on what the team needs & what players they should pursue. The GM also gets information from other members of management below him like the ASST GM & of course the teams scouts who are situated all over the country & Toronto. Henry might have been the driving force behind getting Matsuzaka, but I have a hard time believing the baseball people within the organization didn't do their homework on him. Every team makes mistakes. Theo left the Red Sox in a tough position in terms of bad contracts. It probably wasn't all his fault, but he was the GM when those players were signed, so he has to take some responsibility. Just like the current GM gets plenty of credit for what he did to get rid of those contracts & build a World Series winner.

They gave up Anthony Rizzo for Gonzalez, and Rizzo could end up being better as early as next year (considering how far Gonzalez has fallen in recent years).

And yes, I'm aware that the job description of a GM is to advise owners and such, but it doesn't always work like that for every team. Some have final say on everything and others don't. Some maybe have say on the smaller deals but the owner may have the say on the larger deals. Who knows, but I'm sure it's not consistent from organization to organization.

I keep bringing up the Yankees, but that's a classic example of it. The story goes that Hank Steinbrenner acted alone when offering A-Rod the 10-year deal, and that was the end of it. Cashman supposedly was against signing AJ Burnett, but that was another Hank Steinbrenner dealing. So if the owner wants a guy or a certain length of deal and the GM doesn't, who do you think overrules? Cashman supposedly did his homework and decided he didn't want A-Rod for 10 years, but did that matter when someone else made the final say?

 

[Fountain City Blues]

Cubs Tanaka offer could exceed $160 million


Seems kind of suspicious to me, but if true, it would certainly put the Cubs in an interesting position.


A number of owners are ?convinced? that the Cubs will sign Masahiro Tanaka | HardballTalk


http://www.nikkansports.com/baseball/mlb/news/p-bb-tp2-20140118-1245533.html'


We should know where Tanaka is going by Wednesday. They have to leave two days for a second physical by team doctors and to work out any last second surprises they may show. And yes, I know technically there are 5 days left for him to sign.


Cafardo On Cruz, Garza, Tanaka, Figgins: MLB Rumors - MLBTradeRumors.com


"Cafardo hears that the bidding for Masahiro Tanaka could get as high as $120MM over six years and that he could shake hands on a deal before the January 24th deadline"


According to this: Nikkan: Clubs Submit Formal Tanaka Offers: MLB Rumors - MLBTradeRumors.com , The Yankees, D-backs, and Dodgers have all offered 6 years and 120 million roughly.

 

[Fountain City Blues]

Regarding the first link, this is what we apparently know about the writer:


Tom Loxas, lead writer
Loxas, formerly of Cubs Den, authors some stories based on tip-offs, using his connections with industry, media, and team insiders.
Loxas is most known for being the first to break the story of Mark Cuban being eliminated in his bid to purchase the Chicago Cubs in September of 2008, some two months before the Chicago Sun-Times ran the story. Loxas was also first to report Dan McNeil's return to WSCR.
Loxas reports have been featured on Deadspin, Chicago Tribune.com, and lauded by Matt Spiegel and Dan Bernstein of WSCR 670 am, Dave Kaplan of Comcast/WGN am 720, Marc Silverman of ESPN am 1000, and Jon Greenberg of ESPN Chicago.com

 

[Nyfan1980]

This is why the posting system is stupid now, a unproven MLB pitcher is going to get huge amounts of money.

I hope for whoever signs him he ends up being a ace, because hes getting paid like one.


Anyways reports say he should make a decision by Tuesday or Wednesday, giving time to get the medical stuff done before Friday the deadline. The report also said the Cubs and White Sox are long shots even if they are offering a lot because of other circumstances.

I think he'll end up as a Dodger or Yankee.

 

[Arizona_Sting]

 

[Chef99]

I don't know squat about Tanaka except for what I've read, but I'm curious...is he a good fit for pitching in that ballpark? I guess this might be a dumb question, but I'm just wondering...

 

[LogicMan]

guys whats the bidding up to as of todays rumors?

 

[Fountain City Blues]

guys whats the bidding up to as of todays rumors?

Well, we still have the general sense that there are several 120M/6 offers out there namely from the Dodgers, Yankees, and D-Backs. However, there is another rumor which postulates the Cubs may be willing to hit 7 years and 170 million (without the posting fee) which would possibly escalate Tanaka's pricetag; or dare I say it, make the Cubs the favorites for Tanaka?

 

[Fountain City Blues]

What is interesting is that most projections I see view Tanaka as a #3, or possibly a #2; not exactly "Ace" material. In fact, he may be just an average pitcher. Kind of interesting to wonder what top prospects in AAA would get if they were FA's like Bundy.

 

[Fountain City Blues]

Latest Update from MLBTR:


Masahiro Tanaka Rumors: Sunday

By Edward Creech [January 19 at 6:05pm CST]
Masahiro Tanaka will reportedly command a contract in the neighborhood of $120MM over six years (plus the expected $20MM posting fee) and is said to have received such an offer from the Diamondbacks. Here's the latest with five days remaining before Tanaka's posting period expires Friday at 4pm CT:

• The Cubs' convention this weekend was rather quiet, but that might have been different if Tanaka's deadline had been a week earlier, Jesse Rogers of ESPN Chicago writes. One source told Rogers that the Cubs would be willing to sign Tanaka for up to six to eight years at $25MM per year, while another told him the Cubs would be willing to go with that time frame, but at a lower price.
• Tanaka's decision should come Tuesday or Wednesday to allow time for further medical exams to take place prior to the Friday deadline, an AL scout tells [ame="[MEDIA=twitter]424767011986890752[/MEDIA]"]David Kaplan of CSNChicago.com[/ame] (via Twitter).
• Kaplan [ame="[MEDIA=twitter]424766405473357824[/MEDIA]"]tweets[/ame] the same scout tells him the Cubs' current state is the biggest drawback in their landing Tanaka. Yesterday, we learned the Cubs made a formal offer to Tanaka, but are considered a long shot to win the bidding.
• The White Sox, who also have reportedly have made a formal offer to Tanaka, are in the same boat as the Cubs, [ame="[MEDIA=twitter]424994558863101952[/MEDIA]"]tweets[/ame] Kaplan.
• The Mariners may have been priced out of contention for Tanaka or the 25-year-old's interest in Seattle wasn’t as high as some thought, reports the Seattle Times' Geoff Baker.

 

[LogicMan]

thanks Moose

 

[$500 Million]

You honestly think adding one pitcher adds as much as 10 wins?

Yes, I also think the sky is blue and water is wet.

 

[PackMaster]

I can't argue with the Yankees future not looking so hot right now, but it will look a lot better if we have Tanaka. It's the exact reason why they will likely sign Tanaka to a contract will make most of the baseball world throw up. Don't be surprised if Tanaka is one of the top 3 highest paid pitchers in baseball a week from today.

If the Yankees DON'T get Tanaka I would almost concede 2014 before it even starts, the Yankees are an 80-85 win team right now, unless Pineda or Banuelos turn into a phenom they're fucked. Tanaka would make them a 90-95 win team and put them in the playoffs. They HAVE to sign Tanaka, they have no choice but to pay stupid money.

I'm not going to sit here and say that something "could never happen". The theory of probability says that anything with a chance of happening that is 1 or greater, can and eventually will happen. Having said that, I've seen shit happen to the Cubs that I can't explain and may never understand, it's beyond bad luck.

So with that in mind, yes. I think that Tanaka has a much better chance at winning a World Series with the Yankees than the Cubs, and so would anyone. I mean, we're up 27-0 since 1908 dude...

Yankees fans living off the past whats new! The past don't mean shit right now bud.

 

[$500 Million]

Yankees fans living off the past whats new! The past don't mean shit right now bud.

See the first sentence?


Thanks for playing.

 

[PackMaster]

See the first sentence?


Thanks for playing.

And I also saw the last sentence where your dumbs brings up the past, thanks for playing..

 

[$500 Million]

And I also saw the last sentence where your dumbs brings up the past, thanks for playing..

My dumbs?

 

[$500 Million]

PackMaster is so frustrated he can't type.


Life of a Cubs fan, eternal bitterness.

 

[fordman84]

PackMaster is so frustrated he can't type.


Life of a Cubs fan, eternal bitterness.

Are Yankees fans thinking they have Tanaka all wrapped up?

Wonder if that is an ALEast shortcoming or if fans of all divisions suffer from "counting chickens before they hatch".