Tanaka to be posted

[redseat]

On one hand, there is believing what they said. ON the other, much more fun hand, is putting words back in mounths, and, watching the backtracking......

This is true. Especially coming from the Yankees front office. But people really had to know that it was a load of crap when they said they wouldn't spend money

 

[gowazzu02]

All "They" said is they wanted to get under the threshold for the luxury tax, we all want what we cannot have, I dont know why people keep dicking with the yankees over this when Boston and the Dodgers are paying just as much or more.

I like pointing out yankee hypocrite fans. All of them were up in arms that Seattle out bid them for Cano. Now they're clamoring for NY to outbid everyone for Tanaka (like the yankees have been outbidding every other team for years)

 

[Nasty_Magician]

I'm glad the Mets aren't involved in this. Sure he could be the second coming of Yu Darvish, he could also be the second coming of the "Japanese Nolan Ryan", everyone remember Hideki Irabu? Regardless, the thought of paying between $15-20 million for multiple years on an unknown isn't the type of gamble I want my team taking.

 

[Fountain City Blues]

Has anyone even contemplated that the ball in MLB is bigger than the NPB ball? For a pitcher who appears to rely quite a bit on his splitter, that could be potentially catastrophic. Remember Yabuta?

 

[Fountain City Blues]

This is how I imagine the bidding process:

 

[BigDDude]

This is how I imagine the bidding process:

OUT PICKING STANDING!!!!!!!

The only thing missing is a speach bubble above Magic, and to Cashman, saying; "Your price is wrong bitch"!!!

 

[DaBoltsNIsles]

Towers has never had this kind of money to spend. He's use to a shoestring budget. This is completely new to him. He must be on ClOUD 9.

 

[BigDDude]

Towers has never had this kind of money to spend. He's use to a shoestring budget. This is completely new to him. He must be on ClOUD 9.

Based on how Petco plays, He/they will likely have to overpay to get any sort of good free agent hitting. On the flip side, I could see pitchers just lining up to sign to pitch there.

 

[Chef99]

Based on how Petco plays, He/they will likely have to overpay to get any sort of good free agent hitting. On the flip side, I could see pitchers just lining up to sign to pitch there.

Whoops, no more Petco for Towers. Pretty much the opposite now.

Nicely done, Moose!

 

[$500 Million]

I like pointing out yankee hypocrite fans. All of them were up in arms that Seattle out bid them for Cano. Now they're clamoring for NY to outbid everyone for Tanaka (like the yankees have been outbidding every other team for years)

Not this one

 

[Nyfan1980]

I like pointing out yankee hypocrite fans. All of them were up in arms that Seattle out bid them for Cano. Now they're clamoring for NY to outbid everyone for Tanaka (like the yankees have been outbidding every other team for years)

The money wasn't the issue with Cano, they had the money. It had nothing to do with their budget, if it did they wouldn't have offered him $25 mil per year. (2nd highest per year amount they have ever offered a player, only A-Rod made more). It was the Yankees have made it organizational decision that they wouldn't ever offer a 30+ year old player a 10 year contract again, because they NEVER EVER work out. Its just a dumb investment. And a lot of Yankee fans, like myself were happy that they made the choice to not stupidly pay for a players decline years like they have in the past.

they are ready to jump over that budget for Tanaka, reportedly. And according to one person in the Yankees, if they get over that budget, they will rather go WAY over then only be over by a little bit because they would look like fools for being barely over. They would rather their payroll be $230 mil than $192 mil.

The Yankees want to field a contender, and they desperately need a high end SP. I think the Dodgers, Diamond Backs, and Angels are serious competition though. The Cubs will probably be in it, but it doesn't make sense for them as they are terrible anyways. The Orioles may go in it, but Angelo is cheap. The Red Sox really don't have a need there, they will just drive it u pfor the Yankees like usual.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

The money wasn't the issue with Cano, they had the money. It had nothing to do with their budget, if it did they wouldn't have offered him $25 mil per year. (2nd highest per year amount they have ever offered a player, only A-Rod made more). It was the Yankees have made it organizational decision that they wouldn't ever offer a 30+ year old player a 10 year contract again, because they NEVER EVER work out. Its just a dumb investment. And a lot of Yankee fans, like myself were happy that they made the choice to not stupidly pay for a players decline years like they have in the past.

they are ready to jump over that budget for Tanaka, reportedly. And according to one person in the Yankees, if they get over that budget, they will rather go WAY over then only be over by a little bit because they would look like fools for being barely over. They would rather their payroll be $230 mil than $192 mil.

The Yankees want to field a contender, and they desperately need a high end SP. I think the Dodgers, Diamond Backs, and Angels are serious competition though. The Cubs will probably be in it, but it doesn't make sense for them as they are terrible anyways. The Orioles may go in it, but Angelo is cheap. The Red Sox really don't have a need there, they will just drive it u pfor the Yankees like usual.

Agree with pretty much everything here. The smartest thing NY did was let Cano walk. No chance he comes close to earning what that contract pays. It is the same way I feel about Boston letting Ellsbury go, as they weren't getting into a bidding war over a player who has battled injuries and relies on his legs.

The one thing I don't actually agree with regarding the Yankees is the 'going way over the 189 million threshold, as after Tanaka -- there really isn't much left on the market for them to go after. If signing Tanaka puts them barely over the 189, I'm not really sure who else they can go after.

Also not sure if signing Tanaka is going to make NY a playoff team, unless CC Sabbathia finds a way to get back to his old self. They are really hurting in the pitching department.

I'm quite sure the Yankees HATE the new posting system in the MLB, because if it was the old one, they could have posted an astronomical amount and could have tried to sign Tanaka on their own. With the 20 million dollar posting price -- they could be bidding for Tanaka against any number of teams.

 

[$500 Million]

Under the old system, the Yankees could be out of it already. It was a blind bid, and all it takes is one dollar to eliminate you from having any chance at all. So while this way will cost the Yankees (or whoever gets him) more money, it does give them more control of whether or not they get him.

 

[dblakejr7]

yanks solution to just about everything is to throw money at it till it gets better or goes away.. i dont think the sox would be in it after the dice k debacle.. look how well posting went for them.. the rankers have dharvish and signed choo so they are probably out.. i think it will go a lot lower then people expect.. everyone else things they will make a hight big and will throw in something small.. but everyone does it and someone gets a steal

 

[Nyfan1980]

yanks solution to just about everything is to throw money at it till it gets better or goes away.. i dont think the sox would be in it after the dice k debacle.. look how well posting went for them.. the rankers have dharvish and signed choo so they are probably out.. i think it will go a lot lower then people expect.. everyone else things they will make a hight big and will throw in something small.. but everyone does it and someone gets a steal

Well Tanaka is definitely a better pitcher than Dice K.

Dice K was behind Tanaka and Darvish.

Dice K final 4 seasons in Japan

2003-194 IP, 16-7, 2.83 ERA, 215 SO, 63 BB, 1.17 WHIP
2004-146 IP, 10-6, 2.90 ERA, 127 SO, 42 BB, 1.15 WHIP
2005-215 IP, 14-13, 2.30 ERA, 226 SO, 49 BB, 1.02 WHIP
2006-186 IP, 17-5, 2.13 ERA, 200 SO, 34 BB, 0.92 WHIP

Tanaka's final 4 seasons

2010-155 IP, 11-6, 2.50 ERA, 119 SO, 32 BB, 1.23 WHIP
2011-226 IP, 19-5, 1.27 ERA, 241 SO, 27 BB, 0.87 WHIP
2012-173 IP, 10-4, 1.87 ERA, 169 SO, 19 BB, 1.03 WHIP
2013-212 IP, 24-0, 1.27 ERA, 183 SO, 32 BB, 0.94 WHIP



But the Red Sox have Jon Lester, Clay Buchholz, Ryan Dempster, Jake Peavy, and John Lackey. So I expect they will only be in it to drive the price up.

 

[da55bums]

OUT PICKING STANDING!!!!!!!

The only thing missing is a speach bubble above Magic, and to Cashman, saying; "Your price is wrong bitch"!!!

is the chick left of Brian, doing the duck face for a selfy?

 

[BigDDude]

is the chick left of Brian, doing the duck face for a selfy?

She is either sucking on a lemon, or, doing a solid Willie McGee impression......

 

[Arizona_Sting]

Though it's very unlikely, I'd love for Arizona to land him. If we get rid of one of Cahill or McCarthy's contracts then we'd be in good shape financially to make a serious push for him. Hard to compete with the Yanks and Doyers, though.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

Tanaka's final 4 seasons

2010-155 IP, 11-6, 2.50 ERA, 119 SO, 32 BB, 1.23 WHIP
2011-226 IP, 19-5, 1.27 ERA, 241 SO, 27 BB, 0.87 WHIP
2012-173 IP, 10-4, 1.87 ERA, 169 SO, 19 BB, 1.03 WHIP
2013-212 IP, 24-0, 1.27 ERA, 183 SO, 32 BB, 0.94 WHIP

I don't know much about Tanaka, but if this guy isn't averaging a strikeout an inning in the Japanese leagues -- Is he really going to be a top of the rotation pitcher when he comes to the MLB? His record, ERA and WHIP are impressive. It'd scare me to put up the kind of money being talked about though when he hasn't thrown a pitch in the MLB.

Then again -- maybe Japanese hitters are tougher to strikeout. Who knows?

 

[TDs3nOut]

I don't know much about Tanaka, but if this guy isn't averaging a strikeout an inning in the Japanese leagues -- Is he really going to be a top of the rotation pitcher when he comes to the MLB? His record, ERA and WHIP are impressive. It'd scare me to put up the kind of money being talked about though when he hasn't thrown a pitch in the MLB.

Then again -- maybe Japanese hitters are tougher to strikeout. Who knows?

I think it's always tough to project how a player will transition from Japan to the US. Here are a couple of pieces that project Tanaka as favorably as any I've come across.

Projecting Masahiro Tanaka - AZ Snake Pit

Masahiro Tanaka, Japanese pitcher, is expected to spark MLB bidding war - The Washington Post

Here is another article that raises concerns about his health going forward, since he has already pitched many more innings than pitchers in the US are typically allowed to pitch by age 25:

How will Masahiro Tanaka's workload affect his MLB value? - MLB - Tom Verducci - SI.com

Based on everything I've read there seems to be quite a bit of risk associated with signing him, but it's also pretty clear that some team is going to roll the dice for somewhere between $100 million and $150 million.