Survivor

[calsnowskier]

a couple things...

the Kyle Camilla secret alliance is great... BUT, they are not playing for the both of them... they are playing for one of them... which one, they dont know... but they dont want to be in the final 3 together... as it actually hurts their game to be sitting with each other... I do think Kyle is the Alpha of the group, as they would not succeed in their plans if Kyle wasnt situated where he is...

so in game play, Kyle is clearly playing the best game right now.... and if he is in the final three he should win...


here is my new order of most likely to win list based on game play and game play alone(of course the edit shows me the gameplay i think they are playing)

1. Kyle- i just dont see a way for him to lose if he makes it to the finals

2. Joe- his "boys" are just too loyal to him... i dont get why they play with the kid gloves around him, but they do...

3. Camilla- she is the strategist of the season, but played the decoy role in the biggest move in the game so far... getting out Shauhin while creating a puppet master feel was all kyle... not sure if Camilla can even use this move in her STORY...

4. Eva- i didnt realize that the whole cast doesnt see her as a potential winner... i really thought this is the year of the autism and if she made it to the finals they would just GIVE it to her...

5. Mitch, he is on an island right now... and i am not talking about fiji... he is well liked by everyone... as he is playing the best social game... but he has not done much other than just survive, and he doesnt have an alliance in the jury to help him out... he is the LETS BRING TO THE FINAL THREE guy... but this season is so loyal based, that Joe and Eva will bring Kyle and Kyle needs one of him or Camilla to be in the final three, otherwise all his work will just not be seen... so Mitch has no chance to be final three... and really has to be the next out...

That’s kinda how I see it, but I think I would move Joe down. He has been made the fool by Kyle on multiple occasions. Hard to sell the fool as the season winner. I also don’t think they have shown Camilla doing anything outside of being Kyle’s main weapon.

Kyle

Camilla

Joe
Eva

Mitch

I think each of the pairs NEED their partner in the jury so they have an advocate and so they can claim all their play for themself. We know K&C realize this, but J&E are not playing a strategic game, so they won’t play that way. I think J&E both make it to the final 3 against K or C.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

That’s kinda how I see it, but I think I would move Joe down. He has been made the fool by Kyle on multiple occasions. Hard to sell the fool as the season winner. I also don’t think they have shown Camilla doing anything outside of being Kyle’s main weapon.

Kyle

Camilla

Joe
Eva

Mitch

I think each of the pairs NEED their partner in the jury so they have an advocate and so they can claim all their play for themself. We know K&C realize this, but J&E are not playing a strategic game, so they won’t play that way. I think J&E both make it to the final 3 against K or C.

its not about the advocation, its about the potential split vote...

the jury interviews are enough of the advocation anyone needs...

but Kyle is the only one that has a full story right now... at least that i see....

but Joe is loved by his followers so much though, that he is a tough one to sit next to no matter what...

I think the only person who would vote for Eva is Joe...

 

[MilkSpiller22]

That’s kinda how I see it, but I think I would move Joe down. He has been made the fool by Kyle on multiple occasions. Hard to sell the fool as the season winner. I also don’t think they have shown Camilla doing anything outside of being Kyle’s main weapon.

Kyle

Camilla

Joe
Eva

Mitch

I think each of the pairs NEED their partner in the jury so they have an advocate and so they can claim all their play for themself. We know K&C realize this, but J&E are not playing a strategic game, so they won’t play that way. I think J&E both make it to the final 3 against K or C.

Also, i disagree that Eva on the jury is best for Joe's game... it really depends... Joe's game is loyalty... he can still make that claim, even though he voted for David and Shauhin... if he is responsible for Eva being kicked out, then his game totally falls apart...

Even if Joe is not responsible for Eva's game, his story gets weakened drastically because he could not get any of his final 3 into the finals... hurts the LOYAL game no matter what...

Eva's game on the other hand needs Joe in the jury...

 

[MilkSpiller22]

and kyle needs joe in the final 3 now... just to see the head explode moment...

 

[calsnowskier]

Possibly the best final 3 in the history of the game. All 3 deserved to be there. None were there as a pawn. And the proper player won.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Possibly the best final 3 in the history of the game. All 3 deserved to be there. None were there as a pawn. And the proper player won.

and they all did well with the jury interview...

Eva did surprisingly the best...

I was a little disappointed in kyles answers... he did get the brain blown moment from Joe and Eva when he described the Shauhin eviction...

but he did a piss poor job of showing how his duo controlled the game...

also, the jury all said it and i think they meant it... and i agree with them... if Kamilla was final three she would have won... problem with her, she had no path to the final 3 without doing fire... except if she got Kyle to take down Joe to keep Mitch... But Kyle needed Joe in the final three...

 

[calsnowskier]

Joes eye-stroke when Eva and Kyle came clean was truly classic.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

kamilla's best move would have been to convince Eva to use her idol on mitch... but that was also never going to happen... and that would have also risked Kamilla's whole game...

 

[calsnowskier]

and they all did well with the jury interview...

Eva did surprisingly the best...

I was a little disappointed in kyles answers... he did get the brain blown moment from Joe and Eva when he described the Shauhin eviction...

but he did a piss poor job of showing how his duo controlled the game...

also, the jury all said it and i think they meant it... and i agree with them... if Kamilla was final three she would have won... problem with her, she had no path to the final 3 without doing fire... except if she got Kyle to take down Joe to keep Mitch... But Kyle needed Joe in the final three...

We have no idea how it was edited, but it certainly appeared that Kyle did not sell the Camilla pair very well. Throughout the season, that whole strategy was going to be his entire speech, but then the final jury came and it was hardly mentioned.

I was really happy to see a jury that didn’t have a single butt-hurt “why didn’t you play MY game so I could win instead?” member. One of the best juries ever.

 

[calsnowskier]

I really don’t understand the love for Camilla. We HEARD that she helped Kyle and was a mastermind, but we never SAW it. All we SAW was Kyle doing all the work and coming up with the big plans (that Camilla played along with)

 

[MilkSpiller22]

I really don’t understand the love for Camilla. We HEARD that she helped Kyle and was a mastermind, but we never SAW it. All we SAW was Kyle doing all the work and coming up with the big plans (that Camilla played along with)

3 challenge wins, never having her name written down, and the acting to pull off the plans... whether kyle drove those plans or not, Kamilla was the reason they were so successful...


it would have been interesting to see Kyle and Kamilla duke it out in the final 3... but both didnt want to... which was smart... Kyle was just positioned better...

 

[MilkSpiller22]

I really don’t understand the love for Camilla. We HEARD that she helped Kyle and was a mastermind, but we never SAW it. All we SAW was Kyle doing all the work and coming up with the big plans (that Camilla played along with)

also as an edit "warrior"(just couldnt think of a better term) that you are, if Kamilla won, i am sure they would have shown more of her in the duo...

they showed Kyle protecting her, and coming up with the plans... in hindsight, that was his winners edit...

 

[calsnowskier]

also as an edit "warrior"(just couldnt think of a better term) that you are, if Kamilla won, i am sure they would have shown more of her in the duo...

they showed Kyle protecting her, and coming up with the plans... in hindsight, that was his winners edit...

This is likely the case. They also said that Star was locked in and always knew what was going on, but what we SAW was that she was completely aloof and little more than a clown.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

This is likely the case. They also said that Star was locked in and always knew what was going on, but what we SAW was that she was completely aloof and little more than a clown.

always knew what was going on in the big scheme of things... but she wasnt very intelligent... she even admits that she would have never been able to solve that cryptopuzzle... i think they showed that well, that she knew the social game, and who was going home... especially when it was her...

 

[ROMOTOOWENS]

i was for Joe. Shocked that he only got one vote. Good last couple of episodes.

 

[Sparhawk]

I really don’t understand the love for Camilla. We HEARD that she helped Kyle and was a mastermind, but we never SAW it. All we SAW was Kyle doing all the work and coming up with the big plans (that Camilla played along with)

Yeah, we don't know how the show was edited.

From my perspective, the Kyle/Camilla duo rode Joe and Eva to the end, made one move to get rid of Shauhin, then Kyle won immunity and I guess that was enough for the win. I suppose Kyle/Camilla read that the jury didn't think highly of Joe/Eva? Even Shauhin thought he could win against them.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Yeah, we don't know how the show was edited.

From my perspective, the Kyle/Camilla duo rode Joe and Eva to the end, made one move to get rid of Shauhin, then Kyle won immunity and I guess that was enough for the win. I suppose Kyle/Camilla read that the jury didn't think highly of Joe/Eva? Even Shauhin thought he could win against them.

Kyle and Kamilla played a near flawless game IMO... they made a lot of small moves throughout... but three major moves... Getting rid of David,Shauhin and Thomas...

while making the david and Shauhin move look like it was others making the move... its not about making the move, it was about making everyone want to do that move and making everyone think it was their own idea...

the only problem with their plan was that they couldnt sit together.. but that even worked out for their game since it wasnt a backstab to get rid of the other... and the stumping in the jury room...


problem with this season was that the loyal alliance made no big moves, because loyalty was their game... and all the moves were behind the scenes...

 

[calsnowskier]

Yeah, we don't know how the show was edited.

From my perspective, the Kyle/Camilla duo rode Joe and Eva to the end, made one move to get rid of Shauhin, then Kyle won immunity and I guess that was enough for the win. I suppose Kyle/Camilla read that the jury didn't think highly of Joe/Eva? Even Shauhin thought he could win against them.

They did more than just oust Shauhim. They coordinated the ousters of Mary, David and Thomas. All while keeping the targets off themselves by not letting their alliance be seen by ANYONE.