So Sanders not getting drafted through 3 rounds is clearly collision right?

[raoul]

Way to get Dad fired.

 

[Balljim55]

I find it telling that we do not hear anything from his CU teammates debunking the narrative of his arrogance and attitude.
To claim that it is collusion is ridiculous. Collusion to what end?
To claim that it is a racial issue is beyond ridiculous. The NFL is the ultimate meritocracy. If you’re good enough you play. If you put yourself above the team, that generally gets sorted out and corrected in the locker room. If not you’re gone.

 

[PIBuckeye]

Way to get Dad fired.

that was some funny shit.

 

[fightinfunbags]

Way to get Dad fired.

Looks like the Falcons aren’t going to do anything about it.

 

[Manster7588]

They took Gabriel in the 3rd because they wanted him. They didn’t want Sanders

That doesn't mean Sanders doesn't beat him out.

 

[Manster7588]

Way to get Dad fired.

Funny how these morons don't understand phones are easily tracked. This isn't the 1970s

 

[MilkSpiller22]

If the owner steps in and forces the coach and gm to take a player they clearly don't want it is not nothing. This also means that the owner is likely to try and force them to play Sanders.

Browns had a clear plan, play a high floor low upside qb this year, then use their multiple 1sts in next year's qb heavy draft to get their guy. Owner stomped out all the planning of the professionals.

Sanders is inconsequential, the owner is an embarrassment.

Meh.. he has been an embarassment for many reasons.. but i dont think forcing his team to take Sanders in the 5th round is one of those reasons... this has much more upside than downside...

being a 5th round pick, they have no reason to keep him on the team other than him deserving a stop on the team... and if he does get the stating role at any point, you just paid a 5th rounder for a starting QB... you a genius...

 

[Cincyfan78]

A couple of thoughts: Collusion? Not so sure when you hear the "rumors" about his interviews. The one with the Giants, who did need a QB, is very telling. Did not complete the install package that Daboll gave him as part of the interview, and then bristled when called out on not doing the work. There were only a small, small number of teams that absolutely needed a QB - and NYG were one of them. Pissing them off is a great way to make a small pool of landing spots even smaller. Based on his Dad's comments some time back, you know he didn't want to go to Cleveland (who can develop QB's anyway)...so, did he sandbag that interview as well? Now you've gone from 4 or 5 teams that need a QB who might take you down to 3. Tennessee was clearly going Cam Ward so...now you are down to 2. Going into interviews and talking about "being the man" and "Changing culture" or "Adapting offenses specifically for him" isn't a great 1st impression even if he's not wrong (especially about offenses being tailored to suit their QB's).
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Add this into the fact that - he simply does not have an elite trait. He isn't super fast, doesn't run, and his arm is average to slightly above average. His accuracy is good, but likely enhanced by the fact that some 70% of his throws came 3 yards or less from the LOS. The offenses he's ran do not require 3-5 step drops and do not require reading defenses. They are predicated on getting the ball out quickly to WR's who then can make big plays. It's honestly kind of what Miami does with Tua/Waddle/Hill. It can work against some NFL teams, but against good defenses...teams take away that short stuff - and suddenly the QB struggles to hit passes downfield. I think this is a fair concern with Sanders.
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Also, if you draft Sanders, can he be your #1 guy for 5-6-7 years? Is he a Franchise QB? I don't think anyone saw him that way, and as poor as this QB class was - most teams likely would rather bank on a veteran who will buy into the build, and/or then look to draft a QB in a much stronger draft class, either next year or after. Why Gabriel before Sanders? Because Dillon will come in and recognize he's the backup QB. He's #2 and he's going to have to put in a lot of work to even compete for that #1 spot. Sanders, even in rounds 2-3-4-5 was going to come in with a bunch of hype (mostly of his own) and expecting to start. What happens when that doesn't happen? What happens when he sets foot for the very first time in a locker-room that isn't run by Daddy? For a guy who isn't seen as a true Franchise QB - is the juice worth the squeeze? Sanders didn't do a good job of selling teams that it was worth it.
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So, I'm sure there were teams that removed him almost completely off the board, maybe they talked, maybe they didn't. Some would not touch until the "reaching" rounds begin...but I don't think it was collusion - I think it was mostly done because of how the entire process was handled, and such a small amount of landing spaces available. Most of this is built on the backs of the Sanders' boys, not the NFL.

 

[Mebert]

Meh.. he has been an embarassment for many reasons.. but i dont think forcing his team to take Sanders in the 5th round is one of those reasons... this has much more upside than downside...

being a 5th round pick, they have no reason to keep him on the team other than him deserving a stop on the team... and if he does get the stating role at any point, you just paid a 5th rounder for a starting QB... you a genius...

The player or upside are irrelevant to me, an owner overriding his GM and head coach to force a pick is what is bad about it. Especially when your GM is was killing like he was in this one. Another team comes calling offering him a chance away from current ownership I think he is instantly interested.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

The player or upside are irrelevant to me, an owner overriding his GM and head coach to force a pick is what is bad about it. Especially when your GM is was killing like he was in this one. Another team comes calling offering him a chance away from current ownership I think he is instantly interested.

ignoring previous embarassing moves... i have no problem with an owner pushing their agenda... they just HAVE to be correct...

i am sure most owners every once in a while will push something...

at least in this situation, he waited until the 5th round to push something...

again, i dont see this to be an example of bad ownership... especially when there is no downside and only upside...

 

[Mebert]

ignoring previous embarassing moves... i have no problem with an owner pushing their agenda... they just HAVE to be correct...

i am sure most owners every once in a while will push something...

at least in this situation, he waited until the 5th round to push something...

again, i dont see this to be an example of bad ownership... especially when there is no downside and only upside...

Except his forced pick overrides their choice in the 3rd round. With Sanders being hand-picked by the owner, you don't think there will be undo pressure to force the guy they clearly did not want? It is only a 5th round, but he is trampling all over a clear plan to force it. Even worse, if Sanders shows semi-competence is the owner going to prevent them from using their multiple firsts to get Arch Manning or Klubnick?

Its not the midround pick, it is all the potential for other issues. Sanders is likely a slightly stronger armed Chad Pennington, and if he plays like it and they can't justify trading significant capital getting a potential elite QB it is a massive issue. The eventual blame won't fall on the owner either, even if he would be 100% at fault.

 

[Gman]

A small part of me feels better for Shadeur.

Not because he was drafted in the 5th round... but because his dad clearly did a B.F. Skinner style psychological experiment on him.

Something like: "Project uber-confidence no matter what!"

There's something about it that reminds me of prosperity-gospel or 'manifesting' type sh!t.

Anywho... kid never had a chance.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Except his forced pick overrides their choice in the 3rd round. With Sanders being hand-picked by the owner, you don't think there will be undo pressure to force the guy they clearly did not want? It is only a 5th round, but he is trampling all over a clear plan to force it. Even worse, if Sanders shows semi-competence is the owner going to prevent them from using their multiple firsts to get Arch Manning or Klubnick?

Its not the midround pick, it is all the potential for other issues. Sanders is likely a slightly stronger armed Chad Pennington, and if he plays like it and they can't justify trading significant capital getting a potential elite QB it is a massive issue. The eventual blame won't fall on the owner either, even if he would be 100% at fault.

they paid nothing for him... if they have a top pick next year, then they will draft a QB no matter what... happens all the time in football...

again i dont see the problem... this seems like more that you are willing to put this on to the owners terrible resume... and i get that... but if you ignore that resume, this actually kind of looks good.... its basically a no lose situation... and you built in a reason to cut him if you dont like his attitude...

also, a stronger armed pennington sounds pretty good to me....

 

[Shanemansj13]

Doesn't seem they have all that much faith in him though, does it
Plus, that line of thinking doesn't make any sense. They took Sanders also. So they took Sanders because they wanted him also

Apparently, at least what I heard is....for months now they have liked Gabriel. They had a private workout with him and dinner, so on. So they had him targeted but Haslem, the owner, saw Shedeur on the board and wanted him...so it was his call. Not sure if it was all him but the reaction in the draft room backs up that theory

 

[Mr. Friscus]

Definitely collision. All 32 teams collectively slammed their heads together, got concussed, and forgot Shedeur Sanders was in the draft

Stop the “32 teams” BS.. only like 7-8 we’re looking for a QB.

What happened? It was a 3 headed monster for this kid:

1. His Dad went on multiple shows in January and said there were certain teams they wouldn’t play for, and they would dictate things. And, the bad teams that heard that assumed it was them, and listened.

2. Sanders reportedly didn’t represent himself well in interviews at all. You’d think Deion would coach his kid up to be what teams want, not to be something they don’t

3. The sports media has a hand in it. Deion worked for all the big names, and I think his friends and colleagues didn’t want to harm Deion’s kid because they like Deion, so they all sat back and didn’t say anything and let the lie remain (kind of like how the MSM sat back and refused to say anything when Joe Biden was clearly demented)

All-in-all.. Deion largely directly or indirectly caused his kid to fall. That being said, Sanders has all the motivation in the world to come out and prove everyone wrong.

As a Browns fan, I’m fine with getting him at 144 in the 5th round.

But there was no collusion. Deion just led his kid astray and sabotaged his draft stock, and the media played a long

 

[Mr. Friscus]

also, a stronger armed pennington sounds pretty good to me....

Chad Pennington had some good years, people forget him

 

[Mebert]

also, a stronger armed pennington sounds pretty good to me....

Yeah, that was not a dig on Pennington, his accuracy was elite. I am just pointing out that it comes with a ceiling that is not elite. Good enough to win, but not a QB that elevates the team on his own.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Stop the “32 teams” BS.. only like 7-8 we’re looking for a QB.

What happened? It was a 3 headed monster for this kid:

1. His Dad went on multiple shows in January and said there were certain teams they wouldn’t play for, and they would dictate things. And, the bad teams that heard that assumed it was them, and listened.

2. Sanders reportedly didn’t represent himself well in interviews at all. You’d think Deion would coach his kid up to be what teams want, not to be something they don’t

3. The sports media has a hand in it. Deion worked for all the big names, and I think his friends and colleagues didn’t want to harm Deion’s kid because they like Deion, so they all sat back and didn’t say anything and let the lie remain (kind of like how the MSM sat back and refused to say anything when Joe Biden was clearly demented)

All-in-all.. Deion largely directly or indirectly caused his kid to fall. That being said, Sanders has all the motivation in the world to come out and prove everyone wrong.

As a Browns fan, I’m fine with getting him at 144 in the 5th round.

But there was no collusion. Deion just led his kid astray and sabotaged his draft stock, and the media played a long

except he was taken in the 5th round... 4th and later teams may be drafting for backup QB, even if they dont need a starter... and he still fell to a team that actually needed a QB.... which is the weird part to me...

it was almost like the Browns third round pick was a placeholder for everyone just to be like ok browns, you can take him on day three... no, i dont actually think that... just found it extra weird that he went to the browns...

 

[QuestionSocratic]

The Browns will likely flip him before the trade deadline for a 2nd rounder next year. Pretty smart move.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Yeah, that was not a dig on Pennington, his accuracy was elite. I am just pointing out that it comes with a ceiling that is not elite. Good enough to win, but not a QB that elevates the team on his own.

but can you imagine a better version of a player on a team that might let him evolve... even that has upside.... especially if the downside is Pennington...