So Sanders not getting drafted through 3 rounds is clearly collision right?

[fightinfunbags]

That’s the most Browns thing ever. Dillon Gabriel isn’t a pro prospect. You could argue he should have been an UDFA. Round 3? That’s serious malpractice. He doesn’t do anything at an NFL level. He’s nothing but a solid college QB. His future is in the CFL.

 

[Wamu]

Quite a bit because another team I follow (Cincinnati Bearcats) are in the same league. So, I've seen more than a few games over the past 2 seasons.

His arm is good, not great. It's good enough, but I wouldn't consider it elite by any stretch. His recognition is questionable because 70% of his snaps required him to throw the ball 3 yards or less. If you take away the broken plays where he scrambles - what does that leave you with? About 15% of snaps, maybe, where he actually did a drop-back and had to survey the field. He is a good scrambler in terms of extending the play, but isn't really a true threat to run a ton. I think because of that lack of true dropback sets, it's fair to wonder just how accurate he can be when the offense isn't going to have him throwing 70% of those kinds of passes.

I've said all along, I think he has a high floor, but a low ceiling. In the right scheme, I think he can be pretty good - but I don't see him as a true Franchise QB. In terms of "fit", Miami would have been a good one, because they do exactly that kind of stuff with Tua, Jaylen, and Hill. I think he can be a adequate 2nd tier starter, but would need a lot to go right for him to exceed that. We'll see how it works out for him.

Sanders had to play behind the worst P5 OL two seasons ago and last season his line was terrible. I know I already mentioned that but I find it odd you made no mention of it. A bad OL can be a QB's worst nightmare. And kinda difficult to be a very good drop back passer playing behind a swiss cheese line for two seasons.

 

[Wamu]

That’s the most Browns thing ever. Dillon Gabriel isn’t a pro prospect. You could argue he should have been an UDFA. Round 3? That’s serious malpractice. He doesn’t do anything at an NFL level. He’s nothing but a solid college QB. His future is in the CFL.

It's great, I guess, that Haslam made sure the entire front office took their stupid pills when they wasted that pick on Gabriel.

With how fucking stupid my team is it's amazing I didn't start drinking again to forget.

 

[fightinfunbags]

Sanders had to play behind the worst P5 OL two seasons ago and last season his line was terrible. I know I already mentioned that but I find it odd you made no mention of it. A bad OL can be a QB's worst nightmare. And kinda difficult to be a very good drop back passer playing behind a swiss cheese line for two seasons.

The worst part about this for a prospect is the very real human instinct to take your eyes off what’s happening down field to instead be focused on eye balling the rush. It’s a major no no for a QB at any level but especially the NFL where the defense changes post snap.

 

[Wamu]

The worst part about this for a prospect is the very real human instinct to take your eyes off what’s happening down field to instead be focused on eye balling the rush. It’s a major no no for a QB at any level but especially the NFL where the defense changes post snap.

I want Sanders to be successful, obviously. Hopefully his draft free-fall will knock a little of the arrogance out of him. But having that chip on his shoulder could be a good motivating tool.

Whenever he gets on the field he'll struggle just like all, or just about all, rookie QB's do.

Wonder if Deion knew about things before the draft? Because I thought on draft day for him not to be there was weird. Thought for sure he'd be gone at the latest mid first round.

 

[Cincyfan78]

Sanders had to play behind the worst P5 OL two seasons ago and last season his line was terrible. I know I already mentioned that but I find it odd you made no mention of it. A bad OL can be a QB's worst nightmare. And kinda difficult to be a very good drop back passer playing behind a swiss cheese line for two seasons.

Didn't dismiss it - and I agree. The OL issues are there, but even when chances arose for more processing and other areas of traits to show themselves, I was not overly impressed with his play. A fair amount of his sacks also land on him, as he doesn't process fast enough to get the ball out, or instead of taking 3-4-5 yards on a scramble, tries to run around in the backfield.

He's good, not great. He has a high floor, but I think a low ceiling. That's just my take on him. Could he be better? Sure - what do I know. However, just from my personal viewing - he's a solid QB, but not a franchise QB. I think he's a bit like Tua - which would put him somewhere in that 2nd tier of QB's. Good, not great.

Also - in the NFL - people don't care too much about red flags IF you show elite traits. Sanders did not interview well, and Daddy is going to insert himself (already has) where he can - teams will put up with a lot of bullshit IF you have elite traits. If Sanders showed more of those traits at an elite level, I think he goes much sooner than where he did - and you likely don't have an owner who pushes his own agenda to take him, over objections from his coaching staff (allegedly).

 

[wazzu31]

But you say that as if they are expecting to hand Gabriel the starting job this year. I can't imagine that is the plan. So other than that it's all about competition. You have and injured Watson and two young QBs and two veterans. It's the most important position in football and the position that more decides your fate than any other by a ton. It would be silly to not have the best backup plan possible to me. The question may be more why did they take Gabriel in the 3rd in the first place? They had the opportunity to take any QB they wanted int the second if they really liked one. I read it as they really didn't like Gabriel all that much, so why tie your future to him without a backup plan

That’s kind of my point. Is they drafted two QB’s who are going to be fighting for 3rd string reps

 

[Used 2 B Hu]

That gay laugh at the end!

 

[jarntt]

That’s kind of my point. Is they drafted two QB’s who are going to be fighting for 3rd string reps

That QB room is going to look like a clown car

 

[Wamu]

Didn't dismiss it - and I agree. The OL issues are there, but even when chances arose for more processing and other areas of traits to show themselves, I was not overly impressed with his play. A fair amount of his sacks also land on him, as he doesn't process fast enough to get the ball out, or instead of taking 3-4-5 yards on a scramble, tries to run around in the backfield.

He's good, not great. He has a high floor, but I think a low ceiling. That's just my take on him. Could he be better? Sure - what do I know. However, just from my personal viewing - he's a solid QB, but not a franchise QB. I think he's a bit like Tua - which would put him somewhere in that 2nd tier of QB's. Good, not great.

Also - in the NFL - people don't care too much about red flags IF you show elite traits. Sanders did not interview well, and Daddy is going to insert himself (already has) where he can - teams will put up with a lot of bullshit IF you have elite traits. If Sanders showed more of those traits at an elite level, I think he goes much sooner than where he did - and you likely don't have an owner who pushes his own agenda to take him, over objections from his coaching staff (allegedly).

The one thing that worries me for his career is who drafted him. My team seems to be a jinx for QB's they've drafted. It would be nice if Sanders stops that streak.

And his dad. He just needs to STFU and focus on his team. Let Shedeur do his thing.

Saw an article this morning. Shilo "fired" Deion and gotta agent before signing with the Bucs.

 

[wazzu31]

That QB room is going to look like a clown car

For sure, my just point is, while it is a clown car now they have added fuel to it cause a 5th round pick who won’t see the field this year but the media and some fans will act like they is the one.

 

[Used 2 B Hu]

A small part of me feels better for Shadeur.

Not because he was drafted in the 5th round... but because his dad clearly did a B.F. Skinner style psychological experiment on him.

Something like: "Project uber-confidence no matter what!"

There's something about it that reminds me of prosperity-gospel or 'manifesting' type sh!t.

Anywho... kid never had a chance.

 

[Cincyfan78]

The one thing that worries me for his career is who drafted him. My team seems to be a jinx for QB's they've drafted. It would be nice if Sanders stops that streak.

And his dad. He just needs to STFU and focus on his team. Let Shedeur do his thing.

Saw an article this morning. Shilo "fired" Deion and gotta agent before signing with the Bucs.

Agreed on his dad. Probably Shedeur's worst enemy right now. Daddy has been in control so long - Shedeur has never stepped into a locker-room that his Dad didn't already control in some fashion. If that tries to be the case at the NFL level - guys in that locker-room are not likely to take kind to that, not to mention the coaching staff who will not take kindly to Sanders trying to interject himself into their jobs; but we'll see how that plays out. Regardless, you are correct. Deion needs to take a giant step back and let his kid finally grow up.

One thing that will need to happen, IMO - is that the offense will need to look a lot more like it does in Miami. Need 2 above average to elite WR's, especially in terms of YAC ability. That has been Sanders' bread and butter at every stop. Miami does a good job with this, but you can see the flaws show against better defenses, and that is where Tua and Miami have struggled each year (when Tua is healthy, of course). If the Browns are not set on trying to replicate that in some fashion - I don't think it will be a good mix for Shedeur. We'll see.

FWIW - my buddy who is a Browns fan from Cleveland (former roommate of mine from college) cannot stand him - and thinks even less of him as a QB than I do. I think, again, he's got a high floor because of his upbringing. The question I have, without elite traits, does he have enough to improve on those things - or what we see now is primarily what everyone will get, which will be a good - not great - QB. Time will tell.

 

[fastforward]

It is not if you look at everything in 1-year intervals. They entered the draft with the #2 pick in a 1 QB draft.

Taking a high-floor low-ceiling QB in the third to audition as your long term back up, while entering next year's heavy draft with 2 firsts and a shot at an elite QB is an awesome plan.

Teams don't look at it in 1-year intervals. If they did they wouldn't trade back to acquire future picks. Cheap back-up QBs are available. You don't waste a 3rd round pick on a QB if you don't believe he could develop into a top 16 starter. I have no issue with them drafting a high-floor low-ceiling QB as a 4-year back-up in the 5th round. The issue was getting Flacco and Pickett to compete for the starting role. Flacco isn't durable enough to last the season and Pickett isn't good enough to even be a back-up based on his last 2 seasons. The high-floor low-ceiling rookie is going to be in the starting mix by default. Other QBs were available in free agency. If they want to tank the 2025 season and rebuild with a high-pick rookie QB in 2026 then don't waste salary cap on an expensive DE and WR. If there is a plan for success, (and I don't see it), a high profile 5th round bust isn't going to de-rail it.

 

[Mebert]

Teams don't look at it in 1-year intervals. If they did they wouldn't trade back to acquire future picks. Cheap back-up QBs are available. You don't waste a 3rd round pick on a QB if you don't believe he could develop into a top 16 starter. I have no issue with them drafting a high-floor low-ceiling QB as a 4-year back-up in the 5th round. The issue was getting Flacco and Pickett to compete for the starting role. Flacco isn't durable enough to last the season and Pickett isn't good enough to even be a back-up based on his last 2 seasons. The high-floor low-ceiling rookie is going to be in the starting mix by default. Other QBs were available in free agency. If they want to tank the 2025 season and rebuild with a high-pick rookie QB in 2026 then don't waste salary cap on an expensive DE and WR. If there is a plan for success, (and I don't see it), a high profile 5th round bust isn't going to de-rail it.

It's not about the round, it is all of the drama around it. We can debate on the amount of upside he may or may not offer over Gabriel, but the one guarantee is that slight potential is not worth the headache. His dad is already talking about how he takes a backseat to no QB, neither Gabriel or Sanders are the long-term solution. Browns grabbed one that was good enough to prep for a draft that has a better QB class.

Browns had played it smart, you can't make an elite QB appear, and this draft had 0 available to them. They stockpiled picks to prep for a better draft and put in a stopgap. That is the correct call, adding a malcontent that thinks he is too good to be a backup helps nothing and derails locker room chemistry.

 

[fightinfunbags]

It's not about the round, it is all of the drama around it. We can debate on the amount of upside he may or may not offer over Gabriel, but the one guarantee is that slight potential is not worth the headache. His dad is already talking about how he takes a backseat to no QB, neither Gabriel or Sanders are the long-term solution. Browns grabbed one that was good enough to prep for a draft that has a better QB class.

Browns had played it smart, you can't make an elite QB appear, and this draft had 0 available to them. They stockpiled picks to prep for a better draft and put in a stopgap. That is the correct call, adding a malcontent that thinks he is too good to be a backup helps nothing and derails locker room chemistry.

If he does all that then they can just cut him rather easily. He’s just a 5th round pick. And why are we worried about the chemistry inside the locker room of what will be a 4 or 5 win team in 2025? Shedeur is essentially a scratch off ticket. If it isn’t a winner you just throw it away.

The bigger issue was wasting a 3rd round pick on a QB who has no chance of being anything in the NFL. There isn’t a single trait that Gabriel has that is NFL caliber.

 

[Mebert]

If he does all that then they can just cut him rather easily. He’s just a 5th round pick. And why are we worried about the chemistry inside the locker room of what will be a 4 or 5 win team in 2025? Shedeur is essentially a scratch off ticket. If it isn’t a winner you just throw it away.

The bigger issue was wasting a 3rd round pick on a QB who has no chance of being anything in the NFL. There isn’t a single trait that Gabriel has that is NFL caliber.

Can they? When he is only there because the owner demanded it I am not sure they have the option to remove him when he becomes a problem.

 

[fightinfunbags]

Can they? When he is only there because the owner demanded it I am not sure they have the option to remove him when he becomes a problem.

Not sure why the owner would sabotage his own team