So if it doesn't sell out.....

[cincygrad]

Factory jobs? We don't build anything in this country.

And if all of those college kids became electricians or plumbers instead, we'd quickly have too many trade workers and not enough work.

But I do agree with you guys -- College is turning into a giant scam. When I went to school, you could pay tuition with money you earned in the summer combined with a small loan. That's not true these days.

 

[DanBengalfan]

even the tuition at NKU has become much higher and more challenging to save for, several years I could basically pay my tuition with a several months of work, supplemented by a few credit card charges. my parents pitched in as well. I believe UC is still much higher.

It's important to get an college education if you're going to be something that requires an education, but I would almost rather have a young person know for sure what it is they want to be rather than go to college to "find themselves"

 

[alf8478]

This is a fact.

They had an interview a few years ago with some H.S. seniors and talking about college, and not knowing what they wanted to do.

The guy asked them why they didn't apply for factory jobs starting out at $18-20 an hour (more than some people make coming out of college), or apply for a trade job, that after an apprentice-ship could get you between $60-90K a year.

Their reply was "We've got to go to college. It's all we've heard all our life. If you dont' go to college, your seen as a failure. We can't take those jobs. It's not what we are supposed to do".

Our educational system has deviated the need/passion from students to employ needed jobs that don't require a degree, but experience, and they pay very well. It's unfortunate that kids are being told that without college they can't do anything, because nothing could be further from the truth.

You're right on point. And ironically, electricians, plumbers, hvac people are much more important to society than accountants, lawyers and marketing people.

The key is finding out what you're good at. My dad worked in a steel mill for 45 years, when I was 17, he could have gotten me a job at his factory, and a free ride to a school to get a metallurgy degree, but I'm useless with my hands. I'm booksmart, not streetsmart, so off to college I went. I got a pretty decent education, but I'm not really doing what I went to school for.

 

[Cincyfan78]

Factory jobs? We don't build anything in this country.

And if all of those college kids became electricians or plumbers instead, we'd quickly have too many trade workers and not enough work.

But I do agree with you guys -- College is turning into a giant scam. When I went to school, you could pay tuition with money you earned in the summer combined with a small loan. That's not true these days.

I didn't mean to infer that ALL of them need to apply for trade jobs. The problem is the perception that the education system as bestowed upon its students that, education is the only path in life. Without it, you are a failure.

Simply not the truth.

Also, you'd be surprised how many factory jobs are still out there. My father in law just retired from one about 2 years ago at 50 years old (been working there since he was 17). Now he works for the city, and still gets his retirement. Not a bad gig.

But, the point is taken, there are not nearly the amount of factory jobs in the U.S today as there were in the 40's-50's and 60's.

 

[kramer1]

Factory jobs? We don't build anything in this country.

And if all of those college kids became electricians or plumbers instead, we'd quickly have too many trade workers and not enough work.

But I do agree with you guys -- College is turning into a giant scam. When I went to school, you could pay tuition with money you earned in the summer combined with a small loan. That's not true these days.

The old guys I sit at the bar with went to college in the 60's. Tuition was like $600.

 

[DanBengalfan]

I've actually considered taking some vocational classes just in case my company gets bought out again and starts getting lay off crazy. If teachers made good enough money, I would have already been working on a teaching certificate. But I'd be cutting my salary nearly in half.

 

[Cincyfan78]

You're right on point. And ironically, electricians, plumbers, hvac people are much more important to society than accountants, lawyers and marketing people.

The key is finding out what you're good at. My dad worked in a steel mill for 45 years, when I was 17, he could have gotten me a job at his factory, and a free ride to a school to get a metallurgy degree, but I'm useless with my hands. I'm booksmart, not streetsmart, so off to college I went. I got a pretty decent education, but I'm not really doing what I went to school for.

I read once (don't now how true it is, but take it for what it's worth) that nearly 80% of people with a 4 year degree never work the bulk of their life in their "chosen" field/study.

Now, that decreases as you move up the educational ladder, Masters, Doctorate, etc...

But for those getting a 4 year degree, most will never work all that long in their field of study.

 

[DanBengalfan]

don't know if we need a new thread, but krogers has bought a bunch of tickets to share with military families.

 

[Cincyfan78]

I've actually considered taking some vocational classes just in case my company gets bought out again and starts getting lay off crazy. If teachers made good enough money, I would have already been working on a teaching certificate. But I'd be cutting my salary nearly in half.

You'd have to get a masters and apply for a college gig. Then work on your PHD if you wanted to be tenured. That's the only real way you're going to make money teaching, unless you get into the administrative side of it, and frankly, after watching my dad deal with that for roughly 20 years, I'm not sure it would be worth it.

He often joked that if I or my brother ever became teachers he would disown us....lol

 

[alf8478]

I read once (don't now how true it is, but take it for what it's worth) that nearly 80% of people with a 4 year degree never work the bulk of their life in their "chosen" field/study.

Now, that decreases as you move up the educational ladder, Masters, Doctorate, etc...

But for those getting a 4 year degree, most will never work all that long in their field of study.

It didn't help that the field I studied (criminal justice) really only has one path---cop, and I figured out pretty quickly after about 1 or 2 policing courses that I didn't want to be a cop.
Of course timing is everything, when I was in school, forensics hadn't become a big field, and this was pre-911

 

[alf8478]

don't know if we need a new thread, but krogers has bought a bunch of tickets to share with military families.

Hey, don't interrupt us!

 

[DanBengalfan]

You'd have to get a masters and apply for a college gig. Then work on your PHD if you wanted to be tenured. That's the only real way you're going to make money teaching, unless you get into the administrative side of it, and frankly, after watching my dad deal with that for roughly 20 years, I'm not sure it would be worth it.

He often joked that if I or my brother ever became teachers he would disown us....lol

several of my college friends majored in music education. Several of them are band directors, some decided to teach other subjects besides music, and a few of them went into the administrative end and became principles.

 

[Cincyfan78]

Hey, don't interrupt us!