So am I still the only one that thinks.....

[Darrell Green Fan]

God I suck at typing.

 

[gkekoa]

I said all along firing Shanahan was a mistake...still say it was. Shanahan is Bellicheck minus the team that Parcells built. He doesn't play nice with the media...problem is...this isn't Denver anymore. Shanahan was building a team that he would not let players run the asylum before the fans ran him out of town.


As for Kirk Cousins, when does he make mistakes? He makes them in bad yardage situations and when he is trying to "force" a comeback. He doesn't have the OL to do this. He has positives, just like RG3.


I don't care if we lose by 3 or 30...a loss is a loss. At least he is trying to make a comeback. I don't buy that, "don't make things any worse" shit.


At the end of this season, a decision will have to be made. RG3 or Kirk need to go in a trade...trade the one that brings the best trade offer.

 

[skinsdad62]

You mean the Chiefs game where we were down by 28 at the half?? That Chiefs game?? Surely you jest?? We FINALLY put up points in the last two minutes of the seconds quarter and you think he was doing well in that game??

In the words of NFL Analysts every where... Come On Mannn!!!

Again I agree, both QB's need to learn. Cousins needs to learn not to turn the ball over. RG3 needs to learn to actually score points BEFORE we are down by 21 or more points more often than not.

yeah i mean that one where the defense gave up a td on a drive and the chiefs special team scored the next 3 tds

 

[skinsdad62]

Um... I didn't just help your position with my figures so I'm not sure what you meant by that last part. I was once again disproving your silly posts such as"he's really only had 2 bad games" with facts and stats. If you agree with me that he hasn't done anything to date to show he can be the QB of the future? Why not just admit this instead of going out of your way to create a disagreement?

We all get your position. You really need some new material. You expect more from a guy we gave up so much to get and you want it NOW

I wish I were here to see your posts in 2012. Fascinated to see how you reacted as he tore up the league.

DGF he didnt like the trade from the beginning, that is true

however his unadulterated hatred began after he shot his mouth off to cowboys fans during that fateful Rg3 off season recovery and when he proved himself human shark could handle the subsequent embarrassment since every comment he makes is scrutinized , everything he does has a CSI ulterior motive and he cant make one mistake at all or he blew the game totally by himself

how can anyone proclaim being fair about him and talk about him the way he does ?

he hates him period . he forgets his boy shanny made the trade for him but he acts like Rg3 made the trade

 

[Sharkinva]

Um... I didn't just help your position with my figures so I'm not sure what you meant by that last part. I was once again disproving your silly posts such as"he's really only had 2 bad games" with facts and stats. If you agree with me that he hasn't done anything to date to show he can be the QB of the future? Why not just admit this instead of going out of your way to create a disagreement?

We all get your position. You really need some new material. You expect more from a guy we gave up so much to get and you want it NOW

I wish I were here to see your posts in 2012. Fascinated to see how you reacted as he tore up the league.

Point one, why do I need new material if my point hasnt changed from day one. I expect more from any one taken that high in the draft. Doubly so if a team gave up what we did in order to get them.

Point two, I was agreeing with you that Kirk fails when the game is on the line. I also just expanded on that to mention that RG3 doesnt really start to perform (IE actually put up points) UNtil the game is well out of hand in most cases recently.

Point three, I know you all loved what he did in 2012. But fact is, that without the read option he looked average. If we arent going to bring it back, I think what we have is an average fragile QB.

Im willing to admit Cousins isnt the answer. IM relatively sure RG3 isnt either.

 

[Sharkinva]

Your are right Skins dad,,, I hate him. But only because you all defend him as if he were your daughters virginity. First I disliked the trade. But yep I hate the kid now. Wish he was playing this week though. Sooner we figure out how badly we screwed up on that move, maybe the sooner we move on from it.

 

[j_y19]

Your are right Skins dad,,, I hate him. But only because you all defend him as if he were your daughters virginity. First I disliked the trade. But yep I hate the kid now. Wish he was playing this week though. Sooner we figure out how badly we screwed up on that move, maybe the sooner we move on from it.

So I get that you are sick of the RG3 apologists. But why hate RG3 for their actions? Thats like blaming him for the price we paid for him. While I no longer believe that RG3 is the special player I thought we were getting, I don't hold him responsible for anything other than what he has done. And what he has done is a mixed bag and I'm sure, and unfinished product. I'm willing to give him the leeway to either prove himself or fail. This is where we diverge. You just want him to fail.

 

[Sharkinva]

So I get that you are sick of the RG3 apologists. But why hate RG3 for their actions? Thats like blaming him for the price we paid for him. While I no longer believe that RG3 is the special player I thought we were getting, I don't hold him responsible for anything other than what he has done. And what he has done is a mixed bag and I'm sure, and unfinished product. I'm willing to give him the leeway to either prove himself or fail. This is where we diverge. You just want him to fail.

I dont want him to fail, because if he does my team ultimately fails. But I expect him to fail. And honestly, all the apologist wanted me to say I hate him, because it makes it easier to dismiss me as a hater than to actually accept my opinion of his play and his attitude as a valid points even if they dont agree with it.

 

[skinsdad62]

Your are right Skins dad,,, I hate him. But only because you all defend him as if he were your daughters virginity. First I disliked the trade. But yep I hate the kid now. Wish he was playing this week though. Sooner we figure out how badly we screwed up on that move, maybe the sooner we move on from it.

you damn near force that shit with your comments so stop with that crap

it doesnt matter what subject is being talked about it is always about Rg3 to you

 

[Sharkinva]

you damn near force that shit with your comments so stop with that crap

it doesnt matter what subject is being talked about it is always about Rg3 to you

really?? I have opened threads where i never even mentioned wonderbob, because I know if I say anything about him that isnt how talented or perfect he is, I will face the wrath of the Bob defense force. I have intentionally avoided comparing Cousins to him on my own, because I know any positive I bring up about Cousins will eventually lead to a "Well rg3 doesnt throw INts" type comment. I seriously cant think of another player I have been driven to want gone by the endless excuses... except for.. Campbell.

 

[martinez]

really?? I have opened threads where i never even mentioned wonderbob, because I know if I say anything about him that isnt how talented or perfect he is, I will face the wrath of the Bob defense force. I have intentionally avoided comparing Cousins to him on my own, because I know any positive I bring up about Cousins will eventually lead to a "Well rg3 doesnt throw INts" type comment. I seriously cant think of another player I have been driven to want gone by the endless excuses... except for.. Campbell.

are you having these arguments on a different board? no one here thinks rg3 is perfect and we all think he has many flaws. if your gonna argue with skinsdad you shouldnt put words in his mouth. hes been fair to rg3 and kirk. we are all somewhere in the middle and you think it has to be completely one way or the other.

 

[Sharkinva]

Mart... Im over it dude. I hate him but I hope he is back on the field soon. the sooner the better.

 

[Stymietee]

Mart... Im over it dude. I hate him but I hope he is back on the field soon. the sooner the better.

I understand your sentiments exactly.....however, I really don't think that you hate him the person as you don't know him on that level. In fact, I believe that your feelings would more appropriately be described as: 1 Hating the price paid for him as much as hating how is talents were misused and his reaction to that misuse.

In another story....Why is KC here? Well, for those who don't remember, there were plenty of reports that MS felt as you did about the trade, not to mention his desire to prove himself correct. So what did he do? Instead of addressing the OL, safety, or any other position of need...he drafted a few rounds later, another QB!!! The in your fuckin' face pick Danny-boy!! He then insisted on keeping the old Denver offensive philosophy that worked so well for him with a QB like Elway. A very bad fit here, especially if you consider that he didn't attempt to retrofit other positions with talent rivaling or exceeding that which he had in the Mile high city. All of this with the backdrop that he was the holder of a 5 year guaranteed contract. Turns out, he was no different than Deion....Albert or any of the other people who have come here for the money, knowing that the guy signing the checks had no expectation that they would improve the product on the field......because..... instead of doing the correct thing, he signed them!!!

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Shark: Did you ever consider the fact that the RGIII defenders appear to be over the top in their support is a direct response to the vile you spew about him every day? Your issue is a classic example of a self fulfilling prophecy. I'm new here and from the first day I felt the need to defend him against your assault. If you would just calm the fuck down on the guy you would stop hearing the "excuses".

Honestly I've been posting on message boards for 15 years and I've never, and I mean NEVER, seen a poster attack a player on his own team the way you have gone after Griffin. Not only does it damage your credibility, as I said you are a one trick pony who act no better than Philly Fan with your hate, but it results in the very thing you are angry about. i sure would have loved to see your posts after that Thanksgiving Day game where he shredded Dallas.

One more thing to consider: you keep ramming down our throats that Griffin is not a fit for Gruden's offense. Never considered that the player could outlast the coach huh? That happens you know. Especially in DC where they changes coaches often, especially ones that get off to a 1-5 start. Sure Gruden does not use the read option much and of course Griffin needs to improve his work in the pocket. But the read option is a viable offense, all the top teams use it. Even teams with a QB with cement feet in Philly. So Gruden could implement it more, as he did in game 2 against Jacksonville, or he could be gone. In either case Griffin could very well return to the QB you want him to be.

Now the injury situation is another story. But again let's not close the book and declare him Kelvin Bryant any sooner than we declare Ryay Tannehill Fran Tarkenton. Why you need to draw all these conclusions today is beyond me. Relax and let this thing play out a bit before making such declarations.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

I understand your sentiments exactly.....however, I really don't think that you hate him the person as you don't know him on that level. In fact, I believe that your feelings would more appropriately be described as: 1 Hating the price paid for him as much as hating how is talents were misused and his reaction to that misuse.

In another story....Why is KC here? Well, for those who don't remember, there were plenty of reports that MS felt as you did about the trade, not to mention his desire to prove himself correct. So what did he do? Instead of addressing the OL, safety, or any other position of need...he drafted a few rounds later, another QB!!! The in your fuckin' face pick Danny-boy!! He then insisted on keeping the old Denver offensive philosophy that worked so well for him with a QB like Elway. A very bad fit here, especially if you consider that he didn't attempt to retrofit other positions with talent rivaling or exceeding that which he had in the Mile high city. All of this with the backdrop that he was the holder of a 5 year guaranteed contract. Turns out, he was no different than Deion....Albert or any of the other people who have come here for the money, knowing that the guy signing the checks had no expectation that they would improve the product on the field......because..... instead of doing the correct thing, he signed them!!!

So your theory is Shanny picked Cousins just to stick it to Snyder. Really?

Wow

 

[j_y19]

So your theory is Shanny picked Cousins just to stick it to Snyder. Really?

Wow

Actually, I somewhat agree with that theory. I was never convinced that RG3 was a Shanahan pick. I think he was told to pick him or Luck. Since Luck wasn't there, Shanny had to take RG3. But he had questions/concerns so as an insurance policy, he took KC in the 4th. I don't think it was intended to stick it to danny as much as it was insurance if RG3 didn't pan out.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Actually, I somewhat agree with that theory. I was never convinced that RG3 was a Shanahan pick. I think he was told to pick him or Luck. Since Luck wasn't there, Shanny had to take RG3. But he had questions/concerns so as an insurance policy, he took KC in the 4th. I don't think it was intended to stick it to danny as much as it was insurance if RG3 didn't pan out.

Oh I totally agree with you about the pick. He selected Cousins in part because he offered value in the 4th and it also provided protection. But that is not even close to the claim that he picked him just to stick it to Snyder.

 

[j_y19]

Oh I totally agree with you about the pick. He selected Cousins in part because he offered value in the 4th and it also provided protection. But that is not even close to the claim that he picked him just to stick it to Snyder.

Be careful, you are going to be accused of dabbling in CSI theories. By all outward appearances, Danny has backed off his ways. If you believe that, I have some ocean front property that you might be interested in.......

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

I honestly do not know if Snyder was insistent of the move or not. I mean it's not like Shanahan didn't see the need to get a QB. So far we have zero evidence that Snyder interfered with Shanny's personal decisions. We just have folks speculating about this particular move because of his history. Did they run such a big move by Snyder? No doubt, but that would happen with basically every team in the league. But to assume that Sbanny didn't want Griffin and it was all Snyder, well that's an opinion that holds very little evidence other than history. He's been gone for a while now and with it many of his staff. Stuff like this gets out pretty quickly. Me thinks if this were the case someone would have gotten it out by now.

There is no doubt in my mind that Shanny had circuit breakers built in to his contract protecting himself from owner interference. So if he really didn't want the move and it was forced on him he would have bailed and taken the money.

 

[j_y19]

I honestly do not know if Snyder was insistent of the move or not. I mean it's not like Shanahan didn't see the need to get a QB. So far we have zero evidence that Snyder interfered with Shanny's personal decisions. We just have folks speculating about this particular move because of his history. Did they run such a big move by Snyder? No doubt, but that would happen with basically every team in the league. But to assume that Sbanny didn't want Griffin and it was all Snyder, well that's an opinion that holds very little evidence other than history. He's been gone for a while now and with it many of his staff. Stuff like this gets out pretty quickly. Me thinks if this were the case someone would have gotten it out by now.

There is no doubt in my mind that Shanny had circuit breakers built in to his contract protecting himself from owner interference. So if he really didn't want the move and it was forced on him he would have bailed and taken the money.

I don't think it was so much as forced on him as it was strongly suggested. But I do think the message was relayed that Shanahan will not go into the 2012 season with Rex as the QB. You are right, there is no direct evidence that this is the case. But cats don't change their stripes. Dan is Dan. When he wants something, it happens. Of course with the way the media was also clamouring over RG3, it was hard not to take the pick.

As for if this is true yet we haven't heard anything supporting it, I'm sure as part of the Shanahan's separation agreement, there is language that stipulates no leaks. For Shanny, this isn't a problem as he hates the media anyway. So I'm not overly surprised that we haven't heard anything yet. If this happened, it will eventually come out.