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Slava Voynov Suspended Indefinitely

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----^ very valid point.
he is (and the Kings are) being punished without being found guilty.
something pretty wrong about that. backlash if he continues to play while under investigation is also a problem.
don't know what the solution is.
 

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His lawyers says he is, but really he can't. If he talks to the NHL before they drop the case, the DA can subpoena those records and use it ad evidence against him.
However the quote is confusing. If it is his right not to talk with them, how can they punish him until he does? Without him the NHL has no case to investigate. If he says nothing they have nothing against him. Unless the DA presses charges.
The DA is reviewing the case on Monday. If they didn't have enough two weeks ago to press charges, I don't think they do now.
Once the case is dropped (if it is). The Lawyer will ask the NHL, why is his client suspended when there is no proof of wrong doing? Dozen of NHL players have been arrested, some convicted, of crimes but he is the only one with this punishment, and he has done nothing ( that anyone can prove) wrong.

I'm no eloco, but I would imagine the leg the NHL is standing on is that playing in the NHL is not a right. They are giving him the option to be upfront with them (cooperate, in their eyes) and if he is doing it they will be lenient about lifting the suspension. If he exercises his legal right to stay quiet, the league can exercise their legal right to not let him play.

It's a very thin line, but the NHLs statement is not that he has been suspended for "Domestic violence", he has been suspended for "Conduct detrimental to the league's image" or whatever they specifically said. They can spin that any way they want. If he is refusing to cooperate, that is "conduct detrimental". If he gets photographed dressed as a pimp, they could say that is also.

It will be interesting, if the case is dropped, to see what happens. But legally/technically, he is not being punished for something he has not been convicted of yet.

The line between "law enforcement" and "PR Nightmare" is also extremely thin, as the NFL found out. And the NHL is desperately trying to avoid that.
 

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Again: the NHL is not the American justice system. The NHL is perfectly allowed within the CBA to suspend a player without significant evidence of guilt until innocence is proven. So, until the legal system concludes his innocence, he's not allowed to play.
 

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...that still relieves a cap hit? Is it completely? I'm sure that has to be on the horizon, although they likely need to be careful, because if he's found innocent I could see a lawsuit about unlawful withholding of pay or something like that.
 
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I am surprised the charged him. They never spoke with Slava or his wife with translators. His lawyer is going to argue that everything they said at the hospital needs to be tossed because they didn't understand the questions and could not express themselves correctly. Yes she got a bump/ cut on her head but it was an accident.
If they take the stand they will have a "more accurate" story will be told in which she hurt herself and Slava was trying to stop her from getting hurt.

As far as the cap hit, until the NHLPA agrees to treat this like LTIR, the Kings get no relief.
Funny Pronger can get another job, and get into the HOF while the Flyers get cap relief, but the PA draws the line on this issue, because the escrow payments are too high.
 

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I am surprised the charged him. They never spoke with Slava or his wife with translators. His lawyer is going to argue that everything they said at the hospital needs to be tossed because they didn't understand the questions and could not express themselves correctly. Yes she got a bump/ cut on her head but it was an accident.
If they take the stand they will have a "more accurate" story will be told in which she hurt herself and Slava was trying to stop her from getting hurt.

As far as the cap hit, until the NHLPA agrees to treat this like LTIR, the Kings get no relief.
Funny Pronger can get another job, and get into the HOF while the Flyers get cap relief, but the PA draws the line on this issue, because the escrow payments are too high.

If they're charging him, clearly they think they have a case.
 

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If they're charging him, clearly they think they have a case.
Not always. Many times with the charged they have against him, they know they don't have much of a case. This charge is used many times to pressure the defense into pleading to a lesser charge. It works a lot in cases when a person could lose a lot of money, a job or even lose a green card if convicted of the felony. Many times the defendant will plead to the lesser charge to make it go away.
I don't know if that is what the DA is thinking. I don't know what they have against him. From what has been leaked it is not much, however the NHL said they know stuff not leaked so maybe there is more.

Once again I don't know if he is guilty. I do think something happened and she got hurt. If it was in anger (and I believe it was) he was in the wrong. However proving that with no witnesses will be hard.
 

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I am surprised the charged him. They never spoke with Slava or his wife with translators. His lawyer is going to argue that everything they said at the hospital needs to be tossed because they didn't understand the questions and could not express themselves correctly. Yes she got a bump/ cut on her head but it was an accident.
If they take the stand they will have a "more accurate" story will be told in which she hurt herself and Slava was trying to stop her from getting hurt.

As far as the cap hit, until the NHLPA agrees to treat this like LTIR, the Kings get no relief.
Funny Pronger can get another job, and get into the HOF while the Flyers get cap relief, but the PA draws the line on this issue, because the escrow payments are too high.

It was an accident? I hadn't heard that before.
 

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NHL is starting to look like MLS - To steal jstew's line, "rules on napkins"
 

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Are you kidding me NHL? It has nothing to do with the cap, but that rule exists for injuries. Not people charged with felonies.
 

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NHL is starting to look like MLS - To steal jstew's line, "rules on napkins"

Making everything up as they go along. Unbelievable.
 

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Are you kidding me NHL? It has nothing to do with the cap, but that rule exists for injuries. Not people charged with felonies.


The problem was there was no rule on how to handle this. It is not in the CBA. The NHL has never suspended someone with pay before for more than a few games, if ever. They had no precident. Two players got convicted of homicide (vehicular) and were not suspended at all. One was too injured to play and one went to jail for a year, but the NHL never suspended them. As soon as they were able to play they came back.
I think the NHL and more so the NHLPA were hoping for the charges to be dropped. The NHL has been saying all along that it should be treated like LTIR but the PA didn't want their players to get hit with the escrow payments. Both sides want him paid. The PA because he is a player and they want players to get money. NHL because there are so many cases of players getting arrested and some convicted of all sots of crimes but not being punished by the league that Voynov could take them to court for being singled out by the league. This could still happen.

Now the Kings are not going to sign some 4 million dollar player because the have cap space. Who is out there? They are not going to trade for one either. Who would dump someone this early in the season to help the Kings? ( insert Sabers comment) Once Voynov comes back ( I will give my thoughts why that is likely later), What do they do with this new guy? Trade someone for nothing? That makes two bad trades in one season. What this will let the Kings do is maybe bring up someone from Manchester. They were so close to the cap they had to void an AHL only player contract and sign him for the minimum to field a full team. Now they can call up some 700k player.

Now more of my thoughts on Voynov. Based on what I have read, and I read a lot on this, I think that he did something stupid, in anger, and hurt her. Maybe a push, maybe a pull, maybe he knocked over a bookcase. In my opinion he did something. He maybe in his head didn't think about hurting her, but she did get hurt. The charge against him is a wobbler. They DA charges it as a felony but almost all of these get reduced to a misdemeanor. It says the court time and money and the accused time and money. "you plead guilty and we let you off easy". That is why I think he will be back before the end of the season. If he really did nothing wrong he might fight it for PR reasons, but why take a chance of being deported if he can walk away with community service.
I am not a fan of abuse. I was renting a condo to a girl who's boyfriend hit her and she lied to me about it. She then let him move in. I lost 3000.00 of rent and fines to get him out. I will not accept any man physically hurting a women. I am a bit of a male chauvinist pig that way. A man should support and protect any women he can, especially if he claims to love her. As more facts come out I will have a hard time supporting Voynov. I already don't. I am hoping to hear something that changes my mind.

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The problem was there was no rule on how to handle this. It is not in the CBA. The NHL has never suspended someone with pay before for more than a few games, if ever. They had no precident. Two players got convicted of homicide (vehicular) and were not suspended at all. One was too injured to play and one went to jail for a year, but the NHL never suspended them. As soon as they were able to play they came back.
I think the NHL and more so the NHLPA were hoping for the charges to be dropped. The NHL has been saying all along that it should be treated like LTIR but the PA didn't want their players to get hit with the escrow payments. Both sides want him paid. The PA because he is a player and they want players to get money. NHL because there are so many cases of players getting arrested and some convicted of all sots of crimes but not being punished by the league that Voynov could take them to court for being singled out by the league. This could still happen.

Now the Kings are not going to sign some 4 million dollar player because the have cap space. Who is out there? They are not going to trade for one either. Who would dump someone this early in the season to help the Kings? ( insert Sabers comment) Once Voynov comes back ( I will give my thoughts why that is likely later), What do they do with this new guy? Trade someone for nothing? That makes two bad trades in one season. What this will let the Kings do is maybe bring up someone from Manchester. They were so close to the cap they had to void an AHL only player contract and sign him for the minimum to field a full team. Now they can call up some 700k player.

Now more of my thoughts on Voynov. Based on what I have read, and I read a lot on this, I think that he did something stupid, in anger, and hurt her. Maybe a push, maybe a pull, maybe he knocked over a bookcase. In my opinion he did something. He maybe in his head didn't think about hurting her, but she did get hurt. The charge against him is a wobbler. They DA charges it as a felony but almost all of these get reduced to a misdemeanor. It says the court time and money and the accused time and money. "you plead guilty and we let you off easy". That is why I think he will be back before the end of the season. If he really did nothing wrong he might fight it for PR reasons, but why take a chance of being deported if he can walk away with community service.
I am not a fan of abuse. I was renting a condo to a girl who's boyfriend hit her and she lied to me about it. She then let him move in. I lost 3000.00 of rent and fines to get him out. I will not accept any man physically hurting a women. I am a bit of a male chauvinist pig that way. A man should support and protect any women he can, especially if he claims to love her. As more facts come out I will have a hard time supporting Voynov. I already don't. I am hoping to hear something that changes my mind.

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I don't like the idea of the Kings being completely screwed over in this instance, honestly. It's more the fact that precedent has now been set which means new instances will simply be put on the LTIR too. Just an obvious disregard for the reason that even exists. I'm not questioning your stance, btw, and I'd be bugged if it were my team being put up against the rail because of one idiot. Simply think it's a dangerous precedent to set. Just suspend without pay, potential lawsuits be damned (I realize that I posted something contrary to this the other day...or I thought it...but it seems less ridiculous in light of the LTIR mockery).
 

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I don't like the idea of the Kings being completely screwed over in this instance, honestly. It's more the fact that precedent has now been set which means new instances will simply be put on the LTIR too. Just an obvious disregard for the reason that even exists. I'm not questioning your stance, btw, and I'd be bugged if it were my team being put up against the rail because of one idiot. Simply think it's a dangerous precedent to set. Just suspend without pay, potential lawsuits be damned (I realize that I posted something contrary to this the other day...or I thought it...but it seems less ridiculous in light of the LTIR mockery).

I think this is fair and I think what would happen going forward in cases like this is that the teams will get cap relief and then later on once it gets settled in court, the team can decide whether to keep the player or not - it puts more of an onus on the teams to decide whether to keep the player or not - and if they want to go through the media attention this would get
 
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