Slava Voynov Suspended Indefinitely

[puckhead]

There's a certain NHL team that struck out in free agency landing a coveted right-shooting defenseman and it just so happens that team has an extra defenseman they've been shopping and the cap room to fit Voynov in a 1-for-1 trade. That team has also had a good history of getting good production out of Russian players and damaged players. Hmm.

you must be referring to the E-Wings
(you know, because they have no R-D)

Yeah, he accused Quick of knocking the net off the pegs deliberately at the Olympics.

he wasn't wrong.
but yeah as a teammate that's a dick move.
would have been a fun conversation back in the room

 

[forty_three]

Maybe Quick does it knowingly.

I still thought Voynov's comment was questionable considering he and Quick are teammates. Maybe even a little revealing about his character. Now, he's awaiting judgment on DV.

Oh yeah, it's definitely stupid to say about a regular teammate. I said it at the time that it should cause some fun in the locker room. I actually kind of expected the Kings to shop Voynov that offseason. I bet they wish they had now.

 

[dash]

They could ship him to Edmonton and he would be the number 1 defenseman (that's right, even being suspended and thus not eligible to play).

 

[pixburgher66]

Question: how does this affect a Visa? Or is he a citizen? I know some guys are citizens some aren't, so curious to that. I know many on work visas will get deported if arrested, right? Or am I being completely naive here?

Regardless, it's the right move. You know what I hate about people's responses? "Oh, so much for innocent until proven guilty!" Yeah, that's the *government*. They don't toss you in jail until proven guilty, your employer is totally free to can you. Bugs me.

 

[Cobiemonster]

The problem with the NHL situation is that while there are very few scenarios like this and they deal with it "case by case" is that there isn't a situation like the NFL where you can put a guy on the non IR list or whatever they call it in the NFL(Greg Hardy is on it) - to me, I don't know how you can punish the team and make them keep him on the cap when it's not their fault that some idiot decided to be a curmudgeon - the team can still pay him but just take him off their cap - to me that would be fair because if there's an injury you can take him off your cap and put him on IR but for a non-injury, the league can't find a way to accommodate the team, knowing that it's not the team's fault for some stupid incident like this?

There's no way the Kings are not going to fight this, they will work the league hard to accommodate them - just can't see a scenario where they're going to go lightly here, the team will do everything in their power imo

 

[Cobiemonster]

 

[KennyBanyeah]

The problem with the NHL situation is that while there are very few scenarios like this and they deal with it "case by case" is that there isn't a situation like the NFL where you can put a guy on the non IR list or whatever they call it in the NFL(Greg Hardy is on it) - to me, I don't know how you can punish the team and make them keep him on the cap when it's not their fault that some idiot decided to be a curmudgeon - the team can still pay him but just take him off their cap - to me that would be fair because if there's an injury you can take him off your cap and put him on IR but for a non-injury, the league can't find a way to accommodate the team, knowing that it's not the team's fault for some stupid incident like this?

There's no way the Kings are not going to fight this, they will work the league hard to accommodate them - just can't see a scenario where they're going to go lightly here, the team will do everything in their power imo

The team is being punished for paying a wife beater millions of dollars.

I do kind of agree with you here. There should be some form of a way out for the team.

Maybe the league should make some sort of buyout provision for instances where a player's criminal activities permits the team to buy them out.

 

[forty_three]

Regardless, it's the right move. You know what I hate about people's responses? "Oh, so much for innocent until proven guilty!" Yeah, that's the *government*. They don't toss you in jail until proven guilty, your employer is totally free to can you. Bugs me.

And he hasn't been "fired" yet - he is on, for lack of a better term, "administrative leave" until the case concludes. So technically, he is still innocent until proven guilty. He is just not allowed to come to work until that question is answered.


As for the Kings getting punished for him being an (alleged) douche. Well, They signed the contract too. The Devils signed one with a different douche who decided to leave and they got punished. It sucks for them, but that's the chance you take when you invest in a person. It can happen to any team at any time. The next CBA will probably address it, but this one doesn't. He isn't "Injured", so they will probably get zero cap relief.

 

[Cobiemonster]

The team is being punished for paying a wife beater millions of dollars.

I do kind of agree with you here. There should be some form of a way out for the team.

Maybe the league should make some sort of buyout provision for instances where a player's criminal activities permits the team to buy them out.

True but how does the team honestly know about that stuff until it happens? Maybe there have been things that take place before this but sometimes those things happen in a snap and now the team getting punished for something like that to me, just doesn't make a whole lot of sense

I agree with all of that though, there needs to be some wiggle room so that a team can make a move like this if something happens - the team could always choose to keep the player but if it's going affect their cap then they're going to think about the team well before the player

 

[Cobiemonster]

And he hasn't been "fired" yet - he is on, for lack of a better term, "administrative leave" until the case concludes. So technically, he is still innocent until proven guilty. He is just not allowed to come to work until that question is answered.


As for the Kings getting punished for him being an (alleged) douche. Well, They signed the contract too. The Devils signed one with a different douche who decided to leave and they got punished. It sucks for them, but that's the chance you take when you invest in a person. It can happen to any team at any time. The next CBA will probably address it, but this one doesn't. He isn't "Injured", so they will probably get zero cap relief.

Not that this isn't wrong, but it's naive to think that teams can think ahead and predict that players will turn into idiots - unless the team signs a player that is known for having issues then the team shouldn't get punished like this

A player or a person could be a completely nice person and then all of a sudden they do something really stupid - the team should be at fault for that then? It's hard to predict this stuff

Situations like this are so rare in the NHL that if this actually did happen, the team should definitely deserve to cut bait with him ASAP without any penalty - out of all the players in the NHL, if two or three want to act like complete jackwagons, then it's probably a personal issue with them and not something that is at fault with the team

I get the NHL and where they're going with this - this rarely happens so in a sense it deserves a case-by-case scenario, but it also puts them in a sticky situation because they're not prepared enough - you don't have to have a concrete set of rules, but they need to have things in the rulebook that are there so that if something does happen, they can determine things a lot easier - they're limiting their options by not having a rule where a player can be bought out or released in a situation like this

It just pisses me off how the team might get punished for this when they're a great organization and the other 22 players have shown nothing but class but one player ruins it for everyone - can't blame the team for one idiot - if the other 22 players can abide to the team but one can't, then that one guy is probably the one that should take the brunt of the blame/punishment

 

[forty_three]

True but how does the team honestly know about that stuff until it happens? Maybe there have been things that take place before this but sometimes those things happen in a snap and now the team getting punished for something like that to me, just doesn't make a whole lot of sense

I agree with all of that though, there needs to be some wiggle room so that a team can make a move like this if something happens - the team could always choose to keep the player but if it's going affect their cap then they're going to think about the team well before the player

The only way to fairly address it is to offer every team one amnesty buyout per year, which no one anywhere near the NHLPA will ever agree to. And it doesn't fix the King's problem right now.

You have to think of a team like Chicago or Philly that is right up close to the cap through some carelessness. Why should they "get out of jail free" because someone misbehaved? You could look at it not as the team getting punished, but look at it as the team getting rewarded for his actions. They invested in the wrong guy (it seems) and now they have to figure out what to do. The Salary cap is meant to keep teams from buying on-ice success. So if the Kings don't have a suitable or workable replacement in the pipeline, then that's their fault and they shouldn't just be able to walk away and get another guy.

Maybe a percentage of the salary stays on the books but not wipe the whole thing. Or give them the option. They can terminate the contract completely, but lose 2 1st round picks. They can keep one by holding onto half of the rest of his contract. And if someone else signs him, you get your pick back and are cleared of the remaining contract.

Obviously, it's not going to go this way now, I am talking about the next CBA. I think that could be fair.

 

[puckhead]

oh. allegedly hospitalized his alleged victim.
was allegedly nice enough to drive her to the alleged hospital, though.

NHL Star Slava Voynov -- Domestic Violence Victim Hospitalized | TMZ.com

 

[KennyBanyeah]

oh. allegedly hospitalized his alleged victim.
was allegedly nice enough to drive her to the alleged hospital, though.

NHL Star Slava Voynov -- Domestic Violence Victim Hospitalized | TMZ.com

 

[forty_three]

oh. allegedly hospitalized his alleged victim.
was allegedly nice enough to drive her to the alleged hospital, though.

NHL Star Slava Voynov -- Domestic Violence Victim Hospitalized | TMZ.com

Well, that probably contributed to the immediate suspension.

Dumbass.

 

[puckhead]

Well, that probably contributed to the immediate suspension.

Dumbass.

DA also apparently reviewing case to consider felony charges
Seems he did a real number on her. Allegedly

 

[forty_three]

DA also apparently reviewing case to consider felony charges
Seems he did a real number on her. Allegedly

My condolences to everyone who had him on their fantasy team.

 

[Rex Racer]

The only way to fairly address it is to offer every team one amnesty buyout per year, which no one anywhere near the NHLPA will ever agree to. And it doesn't fix the King's problem right now.

You have to think of a team like Chicago or Philly that is right up close to the cap through some carelessness. Why should they "get out of jail free" because someone misbehaved? You could look at it not as the team getting punished, but look at it as the team getting rewarded for his actions. They invested in the wrong guy (it seems) and now they have to figure out what to do. The Salary cap is meant to keep teams from buying on-ice success. So if the Kings don't have a suitable or workable replacement in the pipeline, then that's their fault and they shouldn't just be able to walk away and get another guy.

Maybe a percentage of the salary stays on the books but not wipe the whole thing. Or give them the option. They can terminate the contract completely, but lose 2 1st round picks. They can keep one by holding onto half of the rest of his contract. And if someone else signs him, you get your pick back and are cleared of the remaining contract.

Obviously, it's not going to go this way now, I am talking about the next CBA. I think that could be fair.

Screw the amnesty BS. It's up to the teams to do their due diligence before dropping big $$$ on these kids.

 

[KennyBanyeah]

Sure some woman had the shit kicked out of her by the man she lives with (allegedly), but the real horror here is the lost cap space!!

The more I think about it I doubt the Kings are tactless enough to complain about cap space at this point.

 

[davnlaguna]

Sure some woman had the shit kicked out of her by the man she lives with (allegedly), but the real horror here is the lost cap space!!

The more I think about it I doubt the Kings are tactless enough to complain about cap space at this point.

All the Kings have said is

These developments are of great concern to our organization. We support the NHL’s decision to suspend Slava Voynov indefinitely during this process, and we will continue to take appropriate action as the legal proceedings and the investigation by the NHL take their course.

The cap issues have been fans of every team and reporters bloggers and other people just talking to talk.

As of right now we don't know many facts. Just some girl, who lives with or is related to Voynov ( because the reason he was arrested states that) was injured enough that she went to the hospital. The hospital felt they needed to call police. The police felt strong enough to arrest him. He paid 50k to go home.

My personal opinion ( which is politically incorrect) is that Voynov and his girlfriend got in a fight and he hurt her. He then felt bad and took her to the hospital. He admitted he pushed/hit/grabbed her hard enough to bruise/cut her. I think they will plead this down to a misdemeanor and he will pay a fine, do some community service and have a long probation.

 

[pixburgher66]

Although the main focus is the woman, it's only natural to wonder about the effect on the team. From a cap perspective: I can see both sides of the fence. I'd be suppppppper pissed if this was a guy on "my" team, and it really does strap the team for cash, but c'est la vie. As others have said: the team takes the risk when they sign a player and make that investment. It's investing in their abilities on the ice, their health, and their actions off ice. I could see some sort of agreement about extra cap relief if bought out, etc. But outside of that? It sucks for that team, but thems the breaks.