simply hitting the qb wont stop read option

[skinsdad62]

Film Sessions: Hitting The Quarterback Is A Stupid Way to Stop the Read-Option

that myth is dispelled here .

 

[skins]

Film Sessions: Hitting The Quarterback Is A Stupid Way to Stop the Read-Option

that myth is dispelled here .

notice how the trolls won't come near this thread

 

[fordman84]

Two things...1) if you hit and stun/hurt the QB, he will stop running the read option. 2) the way to stop it is for the end to engage the lineman and stand him up or push him back. When the lineman slips the end and get upfield or the lineman turns the end, that is when you are hosed as a defense. Unless your hit gets the QB off the field or refusing to run that way again, just hitting him won't do anything.

 

[skins]

Two things...1) if you hit and stun/hurt the QB, he will stop running the read option. 2) the way to stop it is for the end to engage the lineman and stand him up or push him back. When the lineman slips the end and get upfield or the lineman turns the end, that is when you are hosed as a defense. Unless your hit gets the QB off the field or refusing to run that way again, just hitting him won't do anything.

if the end pushes the linemen back the QB will just move to the other side or hand it off to the RB who will run a counter. the only way i've read to slow it down is to make sure you tackle.....easier said then done.

 

[#1BostonFan]

If the QB is taking blow after blow it might make him audible when read option is called. Also OC's will understand their QB is getting beat up and call less read options. It's not going to stop it, but it'll slow it down.

 

[j_y19]

Two things...1) if you hit and stun/hurt the QB, he will stop running the read option. 2) the way to stop it is for the end to engage the lineman and stand him up or push him back. When the lineman slips the end and get upfield or the lineman turns the end, that is when you are hosed as a defense. Unless your hit gets the QB off the field or refusing to run that way again, just hitting him won't do anything.

Here's the thing, rarely will the DE get a chance to hit him legally because if the QB has read it right, he has handed the ball off well before a legal chance of contact can occur. However, your point about the end engaging the lineman has merit. If he can drive the lineman back, it can confuse the QB on the read (DE not crashing down) and it can disrupt the timing of the play. The correct way to defend it, IMO, is to stand your ground. If you crash down, you take yourself out of the play. If you stand your ground, it makes it a very difficult choice for the QB as he is reading the DE. If the DE is not crashing, he keeps it. But if the DE stays home, that is when he can lay the wood on the QB because he is now a RB. The worse thing a defense can do is over commit against the RO. Everybody needs to stay home and defend their territory.

 

[skins]

If the QB is taking blow after blow it might make him audible when read option is called. Also OC's will understand their QB is getting beat up and call less read options. It's not going to stop it, but it'll slow it down.

also keep in mind you can't hit the QB after the pass or its a 15 yard penalty. also keep in mind that specifically talking about RG3 is that he didn't get hurt running the read option, it was scrambling after a pass play broke down.

 

[David_son]

Well if Wilson gets injured or RG3 blows his knee again we will see how long the read option is around. That and despite the recent trend the majority of QBs coming into the league are not RG3 Wilson or Kap so most teams are not going to run the read option as a primary offense.

 

[skins]

Here's the thing, rarely will the DE get a chance to hit him legally because if the QB has read it right, he has handed the ball off well before a legal chance of contact can occur. However, your point about the end engaging the lineman has merit. If he can drive the lineman back, it can confuse the QB on the read (DE not crashing down) and it can disrupt the timing of the play. The correct way to defend it, IMO, is to stand your ground. If you crash down, you take yourself out of the play. If you stand your ground, it makes it a very difficult choice for the QB as he is reading the DE. If the DE is not crashing, he keeps it. But if the DE stays home, that is when he can lay the wood on the QB because he is now a RB. The worse thing a defense can do is over commit against the RO. Everybody needs to stay home and defend their territory.

exactry

 

[skins]

Well if Wilson gets injured or RG3 blows his knee again we will see how long the read option is around. That and despite the recent trend the majority of QBs coming into the league are not RG3 Wilson or Kap so most teams are not going to run the read option as a primary offense.

the read option isn't the primary offense of the redskins...how many times are people going to get it wrong?

the redskins last season did 5-7 read option plays A GAME, out of an average of 65-70 offensive plays a game.

 

[NickVT10]

The read option, no. A true option run in college, if the defenders hold their responsibility every play, the QB should get hit every play. Getting hit in the chest and face with your arm extended out will eventually make for bad pitches on the option and some fumbles...

 

[Clayton]

the read option isn't the primary offense of the redskins...

And thats the way to use the read option. You can gameplan against a primary read option team but its much trickier when it shows up less than a third of the time

 

[fordman84]

if the end pushes the linemen back the QB will just move to the other side or hand it off to the RB who will run a counter. the only way i've read to slow it down is to make sure you tackle.....easier said then done.

Getting the OL pushed back clogs the running lane. You hold him tight to the line to keep the RB or QB frmo getting downfield, makes him go the long way around. So you are stringing the play out and making him make an additional cut.

It isn't perfect, but that is how you engage the block and slow it down.

 

[skins]

Getting the OL pushed back clogs the running lane. You hold him tight to the line to keep the RB or QB frmo getting downfield, makes him go the long way around. So you are stringing the play out and making him make an additional cut.

It isn't perfect, but that is how you engage the block and slow it down.

but that's just one lineman, and i'm sure teams have tried against the redskins but the zone block schemes the redskins run make it difficult to box in the RB because of the cutting and zone lanes too.

 

[skins]

And thats the way to use the read option. You can gameplan against a primary read option team but its much trickier when it shows up less than a third of the time

agreed 100%. it gets "defended" much better in the college game if the read option is the primary offense and you get a loaded and talented defense (see SEC) against it.

 

[j_y19]

the read option isn't the primary offense of the redskins...how many times are people going to get it wrong?

the redskins last season did 5-7 read option plays A GAME, out of an average of 65-70 offensive plays a game.

This is a lost fact on many. It comprises maybe 10% of our offense. That's one reason why its so effective. If teams go in scheming to crash the DE on every play on the chance its a RO play, the DEs will be out of position 90+% of the time. Shanahan will surely take that.

Here's another thing most don't get. The shanahans' are not sitting around in the offseason saying, Wow, we've got it! No defense will ever be able to stop it! They realize that every team is trying to figure out how to scheme to stop the RO. So you can bet that they have been spending the offseason preparing tweaks and new looks out of the pistol formation that will mirror a read option, but will take advantage of , for example, an aggressive, crashing DE. They also recognize that protecting RG3 is priority 1 so these new looks will most likely have that in mind. I'm actually very comfortable with our offense and we should all have faith that they are working on Phase 2 of this offense.

 

[Warpath]

RG3 didn't blow out his knee on a read option play.

 

[skins]

This is a lost fact on many. It comprises maybe 10% of our offense. That's one reason why its so effective. If teams go in scheming to crash the DE on every play on the chance its a RO play, the DEs will be out of position 90+% of the time. Shanahan will surely take that.

Here's another thing most don't get. The shanahans' are not sitting around in the offseason saying, Wow, we've got it! No defense will ever be able to stop it! They realize that every team is trying to figure out how to scheme to stop the RO. So you can bet that they have been spending the offseason preparing tweaks and new looks out of the pistol formation that will mirror a read option, but will take advantage of , for example, an aggressive, crashing DE. They also recognize that protecting RG3 is priority 1 so these new looks will most likely have that in mind. I'm actually very comfortable with our offense and we should all have faith that they are working on Phase 2 of this offense.

no kidding, they act like the shanahans sat on their thumbs all season and did nothing while defenses got all the answers

 

[Warpath]

So since he was injured on a standard drop back pass that he had to scramble on because protection broke down, should we all protest that teams need to stop running traditional offenses?

 

[fordman84]

but that's just one lineman, and i'm sure teams have tried against the redskins but the zone block schemes the redskins run make it difficult to box in the RB because of the cutting and zone lanes too.

The interior d-line don't typically pull and run around the end, but if they do then you are correct. They typically are clogging the interior, and the OR works because the ends don't contain. If you engage and get your OL moving back or holding firm...then the option has to take a much longer route, and that is less successful in the NFL than College because everyone has speed in the NFL.

Shanny is a master at cuts and getting running lanes open, I fully admit that. That is key, but its hard to cut block when the lineman engages the OL or contains. The OR only works when the DL gets out of position or over aggressive. Same with a screen play.