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[Sharkinva]

How about looking at Kirk as a backup doing starters work! Honestly, dude you really want to bring up that other guy?

1. You dont tag a backup at $20 million.
2. It would have actually been cheaper to keep the other guy.
3. I find it funny as hell that most of the fans saying Kirk needs to prove it MORE were die hard fans of "the other guy" and seemed a bit miffed that he didnt get yet another chance. Strange how that works out.

 

[Stymietee]

Again.. if that is really his thinking.. why tag Kirk at all. Let him walk, get paid by another team and get a 3rd rounder in return. After all, if Colt McCoy could run this team for 1/5th the cost.. tagging Kirk was a monumental fuckup.

You're looking at this all wrong...they paid Kirk in hopes that he has another gear, plain and simple! They ACTUALLY offered him what they believed his value was, not a lowball as so many want to believe. If he has another gear they will all be pleasantly surprised, as will we all. Isn't it possible that they really don't know what Kirk brings to the table this year? You really don't overpay for uncertainty!

 

[Stymietee]

1. You dont tag a backup at $20 million.
2. It would have actually been cheaper to keep the other guy.
3. I find it funny as hell that most of the fans saying Kirk needs to prove it MORE were die hard fans of "the other guy" and seemed a bit miffed that he didnt get yet another chance. Strange how that works out.

you're better than that man!!The other guy relative to this conversation is valid for two reasons.

1. He's not here anymore, and had no chance in hell of playing another game here.
2. There are a lot more people everywhere saying that Kirk needs to prove himself more, but damn what everyone else says (including myself) what did the organization Actually end up doing in relation to Kirk? They tagged him on a one year PROVE IT deal. I ask you....who knows him better?

 

[Sharkinva]

You're looking at this all wrong...they paid Kirk in hopes that he has another gear, plain and simple! They ACTUALLY offered him what they believed his value was, not a lowball as so many want to believe. If he has another gear they will all be pleasantly surprised, as will we all. Isn't it possible that they really don't know what Kirk brings to the table this year? You really don't overpay for uncertainty!

Sorry dude, but if market value for a loaf of bread is $5 and you walk up to the store manager and say.. well its only worth $3 as far as Im concerned, what do you think the odds are he lets you have it for $3? And we overpay for uncertainty all the time. Norman, Jackson and a few others come to mind. Add to it, if Kirk does surprise you (because I expect he will actually improve), his price tag goes alot higher.

 

[Sharkinva]

you're better than that man!!The other guy relative to this conversation is valid for two reasons.

1. He's not here anymore, and had no chance in hell of playing another game here.
2. There are a lot more people everywhere saying that Kirk needs to prove himself more, but damn what everyone else says (including myself) what did the organization Actually end up doing in relation to Kirk? They tagged him on a one year PROVE IT deal. I ask you....who knows him better?

We are talking about the same organization that has historically lowballed guys who have gone on to start for and win Lombardi's with other teams. Sure we have a new GM who has a clue about the draft... but He was also the guy who brought in Matt Flynn to Seattle on $10 million guaranteed to never play a snap for them. And his biggest FA deals for the Skins have to this point been duds.

 

[Stymietee]

Sorry dude, but if market value for a loaf of bread is $5 and you walk up to the store manager and say.. well its only worth $3 as far as Im concerned, what do you think the odds are he lets you have it for $3? And we overpay for uncertainty all the time. Norman, Jackson and a few others come to mind. Add to it, if Kirk does surprise you (because I expect he will actually improve), his price tag goes alot higher.

I have a choice when it comes to that bread, not buy it!! Uncertainty is different at corner and WR than it is with QB's. I think that kirk will be effective this season, a lot in line with what he did last season....and that's the problem. He's playing better playoff level competition this season and will need to find that next gear. It bothers the hell outta me that, despite my hopes, he might not have it in him. If he does, I'll be the first to sign the petition that renames him Brady II.

 

[Stymietee]

We are talking about the same organization that has historically lowballed guys who have gone on to start for and win Lombardi's with other teams. Sure we have a new GM who has a clue about the draft... but He was also the guy who brought in Matt Flynn to Seattle on $10 million guaranteed to never play a snap for them. And his biggest FA deals for the Skins have to this point been duds.

Well, yeah...there's that!! Can't argue any of this and won't even fake it when it come to reserving a very special place for expected Jack-legged decisions by this organization. Anyone who follows this team, knows that it is practically a birthright. I was probably the first to start bitchin' and moaning about getting a dedicated GM here. So now that I've gotten what I wanted, I think I'll just stick with him (and Kirk) just to see how it all plays out!

 

[Sharkinva]

I have a choice when it comes to that bread, not buy it!! Uncertainty is different at corner and WR than it is with QB's. I think that kirk will be effective this season, a lot in line with what he did last season....and that's the problem. He's playing better playoff level competition this season and will need to find that next gear. It bothers the hell outta me that, despite my hopes, he might not have it in him. If he does, I'll be the first to sign the petition that renames him Brady II.

The problem is, we then turned around and paid MORE than we actually thought the bread was worth to make a sandwich, in the hopes that the sandwich turns out to be better than average, in which case we will then pay even MORE for the rest of the loaf. Because lets face it, if Kirk does prove it, he is going to cost alot more next year than he was asking for this year. And what happens if he proves it, then decides NOT to sign the tender next year??

 

[Stymietee]

The problem is, we then turned around and paid MORE than we actually thought the bread was worth to make a sandwich, in the hopes that the sandwich turns out to be better than average, in which case we will then pay even MORE for the rest of the loaf. Because lets face it, if Kirk does prove it, he is going to cost alot more next year than he was asking for this year. And what happens if he proves it, then decides NOT to sign the tender next year??

OK, I get your point, but I honestly don't believe that the organization is worried about next off season or how much KC will cost if he proves it. Nor do I think that they worry about him not signing the tender either. SM I really don't believe, is a stupid man. With that in mind, there is nothing that can convince me that anything less than a thorough evaluation has been done at the QB position. They know his strengths, they know his weaknesses and more important they have a pretty darn good idea of what his ceiling is. Looking at guys that they believe are capable of doing what he does or are better is exactly what they should do...WHY?....because if as you suggest he refuses to sign the tender and they have a guy who they believe is capable of doing what he does or better, where's the loss?? Sorry man...just business!! If you think about it, we not talking about a superstar, just someone who's capable of running the offense as good or better than the current guy. Not that hard to replace IMHO.

 

[Sharkinva]

OK, I get your point, but I honestly don't believe that the organization is worried about next off season or how much KC will cost if he proves it. Nor do I think that they worry about him not signing the tender either. SM I really don't believe, is a stupid man. With that in mind, there is nothing that can convince me that anything less than a thorough evaluation has been done at the QB position. They know his strengths, they know his weaknesses and more important they have a pretty darn good idea of what his ceiling is. Looking at guys that they believe are capable of doing what he does or are better is exactly what they should do...WHY?....because if as you suggest he refuses to sign the tender and they have a guy who they believe is capable of doing what he does or better, where's the loss?? Sorry man...just business!!

The loss is, that every time we have though we had a guy who could do the job for cheaper... we have seen Ryan Clark win a Super Bowl with the Steelers while we threw time and money at Adam Archuletta. IF there is one position that benefits from time and stability, its QB. Hell we have gone through 25 starting QBs and a fuck ton of draft picks thrown at the position since the last time we were even remotely respectable. Our last THREE super bowl winning QBs were along the lines of Cousins. slightly above average and surrounded with talented rosters. Sure we can go cheap and hope we luck into a Russel Wilson. Or man up and realize that if we arent chasing a QB, we can actually build a team.

 

[Stymietee]

The loss is, that every time we have though we had a guy who could do the job for cheaper... we have seen Ryan Clark win a Super Bowl with the Steelers while we threw time and money at Adam Archuletta. IF there is one position that benefits from time and stability, its QB. Hell we have gone through 25 starting QBs and a fuck ton of draft picks thrown at the position since the last time we were even remotely respectable. Our last THREE super bowl winning QBs were along the lines of Cousins. slightly above average and surrounded with talented rosters. Sure we can go cheap and hope we luck into a Russel Wilson. Or man up and realize that if we arent chasing a QB, we can actually build a team.

Is there any doubt that this team under the watchful eye of SM is exponentially better than any of those teams dating back to Ryan Clark's first go round (last season)? The difference to me is that in all of those previous times the organization wanted to be QB centric. You stated it best, the most successful teams here were built around very good teams and slightly above average QB's. This is exactly what SM is doing!! If you don't (as he's vowed not to do) overpay for your slightly above average QB, you end up having a boatload of cash for other positions. We would never have to get lucky at QB using this formula. With due diligence, he will be able to find a QB that works well with his coaches,.The league is full of slightly above average guys and that is the reason why I'll continue to compare Kirk with guys like McCarron.

 

[Sharkinva]

Is there any doubt that this team under the watchful eye of SM is exponentially better than any of those teams dating back to Ryan Clark's first go round (last season)? The difference to me is that in all of those previous times the organization has wanted to be QB centric. You stated it best, the most successful teams were built around very good teams and slightly above average QB's. This is exactly what SM is doing!! If you don't (as he's vowed not to do) overpay for your slightly above average QB, you end up having a boatload of cash for other positions. We would never have to get lucky at QB using this formula, with due diligence, he will be able to find a QB that works well with his coaches, the league is full of slightly above average guys and the reason why I'll continue to compare Kirk with guys like McCarron.

Sorry dude, Kirk is better than any of those backup stiffs you mentioned, and a fuckton better as a QB than the guy he replaced. The Seahawks did get lucky with Wilson. We currently have a QB that works well with his coaches, yet we are willing to try and go cheap, and the fanbase wants some one unique (read as flashy). As I have said before.. either Kirk works out, and we end up paying $25 million or more a year for him... or we are back to chasing the QB dragon for another five years.

 

[Stymietee]

I'll give you this......you do stick to your point. Big props!! Kirk is NOT better, any one of them are fully capable of doing just as well in this offense if not better. Until I see, read or discover some other reason why they have done, and are doing what ironically fits my narrative from wayyy back. I think I'll mimic you and stick with my perspective. Right now, I'm like Duke from the Beverly Hillbillies...ask me to move and I might raise an eyebrow.

 

[Sharkinva]

I'll give you this......you do stick to your point. Big props!! Kirk is NOT better, any one of them are fully capable of doing just as well in this offense if not better. Until I see, read or discover some other reason why they have done, and are doing what ironically fits my narrative from wayyy back. I think I'll mimic you and stick with my perspective. Right now, I'm like Duke from the Beverly Hillbillies...ask me to move and I might raise an eyebrow.

But thats the thing, if we could have grabbed any old backup to do what Kirk did, why tag Kirk?? If I know I can get to and from work in a Prius, why rent a Civic for a year at the cost of buying a Bugatti?? Especially if I could have held onto my Escort with a bad clutch for 2/3'rd the cost??

 

[Sportster 72]

NOT unique!!

It is unique over the last 20 years in this town. You are wrong if you disagree. Name the guy who had that ability on the Redskins. He made is decision and got rid of the ball faster than most QBs in the NFL. That is not debatable, you can look it up.

 

[Sportster 72]

You have to laugh because two people who complained longest and loudest last year about Cousins are the two people who have multiple posts about how he still isn't the guy although both say "I like Kirk." Too each their own, just struck me funny.

 

[j_y19]

I agree with Dean, complete conjecture. This was purely a business decision that pitted risk vs reward. You may not agree with the decision (and I'm not sure I do), but I can understand the reasoning. It's trash like this that always comes out in the slow season.

 

[j_y19]

Everyone seems to be dodging the obvious question with those interesting bits of information coming out now. The question is...Was Kirk a beneficiary of the system or did he bring a unique skillset that powered the offense?

Why can't it be both? What's wrong with that? There is no doubt that in my mind that his skill set fostered success in this system. Specifically, his knowledge of the offense, his ability to sense pressure, and his quick delivery all dovetail nicely into this offense. Oh yeah, he stepped up as a leader evidenced by how his teammates rallied around him.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Thanks for the reminder. Thankfully I logged in so that I don't have to read a certain poster's drivel (love the Ignore option). What a bunch of nonsense. Guys - take a breath & let this thing play out. We will know by then end of the season about Cousins, Norman, etc & some of you might be eating a lot of crow at that time.

I love how certain folks make all types of assumptions based on articles by the likes of PFT. None of us really know what goes on inside Redskins Park & the relationship between SM and Cousins and his agent. Some folks act like it is a given that they are just buying time with Cousins & searching for his replacement - laughable. It also sounds like some folks believe that SM is kind of a failure & kind of think that they could do a better job - good luck with that.

HTTR

 

[Sportster 72]

The die is cast. There is nothing to do now but let the season play out. There is nothing else to do. We can all speculate and certainly the media will and they will put 785 different spins on what it means but we will find out next off season. Until then .... GO Kirk and the rest of the team.