Seriously, WTF is up with the Florida schools

[Chewbaccer]

Early signing day is as good as done, with most of the big targets off the board.

FSU has the 14th ranked class
Florida has the 16th ranked class
Miami has the 37th ranked class

Arguably the most talent rich state in the country, and not a single team from the state can come close to cracking the top 10?

Combined they've signed 1 5 star and 24 3 stars

 

[JohnShadows]

There any way to analyze on 24/7 by state? I wonder if GA and Ohio haven't passed FL, at least for this year.

 

[tabascojet]

only a jawja fan would want to declare a winner 49 days before it really matters..... #preseasonchampsforlife

 

[WizardHawk]

And FSU has 5 of their 19 that didn't sign today. Cold feet?

Didn't see any other teams in the top 20 that had that many left unsigned. Only saw like 2 others that had 4 maybe?

 

[theboardref]

Early signing day is as good as done, with most of the big targets off the board.

FSU has the 14th ranked class
Florida has the 16th ranked class
Miami has the 37th ranked class

Arguably the most talent rich state in the country, and not a single team from the state can come close to cracking the top 10?

Combined they've signed 1 5 star and 24 3 stars

When you have that many major teams in one state it tends to thin out the classes being able to be built with strictly in state talent. Of course you can always get guys from out of state but still.

 

[Rolltide94]

There any way to analyze on 24/7 by state? I wonder if GA and Ohio haven't passed FL, at least for this year.

Yes there is and no they haven't.

Florida has 50 4 and 5 stars. Georgia had 33 and Ohio had 0 5 stars and 12 4 stars.

 

[bamafan4evr12]

And FSU has 5 of their 19 that didn't sign today. Cold feet?

Didn't see any other teams in the top 20 that had that many left unsigned. Only saw like 2 others that had 4 maybe?

And I saw earlier where Akeem Dent may be a flip candidate to possibly Bama

 

[bamafan4evr12]

I gotta say though, after the disaster of a season FSU had they're not doing too bad cracking the top 20 in recruiting

 

[Hang_On_Sloopy08]

UCFacts.

 

[cwerph]

Yes there is and no they haven't.

Florida has 50 4 and 5 stars. Georgia had 33 and Ohio had 0 5 stars and 12 4 stars.

Zach Harrison, Olentangy Orange High School, Lewis Center, Ohio, 5 star (signed with Ohio State).

 

[jonvi]

Early signing day is as good as done, with most of the big targets off the board.

FSU has the 14th ranked class
Florida has the 16th ranked class
Miami has the 37th ranked class

Arguably the most talent rich state in the country, and not a single team from the state can come close to cracking the top 10?

Combined they've signed 1 5 star and 24 3 stars

Aside from Bama getting most...Dabo Sweeney happened.

 

[carson]

Florida will be fine, but Miami and FSU are trending downward. FSU's class is top 20 but they aren't getting position players they need most; like a QB. Curious to see how long Miami tolerates the underachieving with Richt. He isn't building a winner there and the Canes have to be realizing that their nostalgia isn't pulling down recruits anymore.

 

[B_dub]

And I saw earlier where Akeem Dent may be a flip candidate to possibly Bama

Oh good. Bama looked like they had a rough go on the recruiting trail today. Hopefully that will help.

 

[Rolltide94]

Zach Harrison, Olentangy Orange High School, Lewis Center, Ohio, 5 star (signed with Ohio State).

Actually all the numbers I posted were wrong, they were for the 2018 cycle. The 2019 numbers are 38 4&5 for Florida, 38 for Georgia and 14 for Ohio, with 1 5 star...Zach.

 

[Deathroll]

Early signing day is as good as done, with most of the big targets off the board.

FSU has the 14th ranked class
Florida has the 16th ranked class
Miami has the 37th ranked class

Arguably the most talent rich state in the country, and not a single team from the state can come close to cracking the top 10?

Combined they've signed 1 5 star and 24 3 stars

Sorry for the long answer but we've discussed this a lot on the Gator boards so here are the details:

UF is coming out of a down cycle and Mullen is a lousy recruiter. Mac was too late in addressing the recruiting shortcomings of his staff but he did actually make upgrades each year and by his last season, he had assembled some seriously good recruiters. UF was set for a good class, but then the wheels came off his 3rd season and he was fired. Mullen stupidly did not keep any of those assistants who could have really helped him.

In addition, the former AD Jeremy Foley treated football as a cash cow to pay for his beloved olympic and women's sports which nobody cares about. He foolishly acted as though the football program were an institution which was just entitled to win big and therefore did not need any reinvestment even while all of our SEC competitors were building big support staffs, increasing their stipends, building IPFs and standalone football facilities, etc. He publicly said that we "choose not to participate in the arms race". This of course did not stop the arms race. It simply meant that we fell behind.

He also self imposed a rule against oversigning.....meaning we cannot offer scholarships over and above the 85 cap and count on attrition to open up the needed spaces by August when freshmen enroll like several of our competitors. Since there always is some attrition every year, this has the effect of us always being a few scholarships under the 85 limit while our competitors are at the 85 limit....effectively giving the 2-4 extra chances to come up with good players every year.

Also, he implemented a policy of 4 year scholarships...meaning we would not cull even while our competitors were signing the max every year and culling nonperformers mercilessly. Again, this gave them several more chances to come up with good players each year.

And then there is admissions at UF which is allowed to get away with sabotaging the football program by imposing academic standards none of our competitors in the SEC or the state seem burdened with. For example, it is extremely difficult for us to take a Juco since most of them do not have as many math credits as we require. Somehow, its OK when anybody else in the SEC takes them though. Prime example this year is Juco CB Elijah Blades. We wanted him out of high school and he was committed to us but didn't have the grades. So he went the Juco route. Again he wanted to come but this time admissions blocked him saying he didn't have the math credits. So he just signed with aTm.

Our new AD gets it and is making investments in the program. We have built a full sized support staff and an IPF and have plans to build a standalone football facility in the next 2 or 3 years but it is taking some time to fix all the things Foley royally fucked up.

fsu and miami fell behind in the facilities arms race too. That and assistant coach payroll was a big reason why Jimbo Fisher left fsu.

 

[Deathroll]

Aside from Bama getting most...Dabo Sweeney happened.

Clemson and Bama and Ohio State and lately Georgia have extensively raided the state. Correct. There are reasons why the in-state programs allowed this to happen.

 

[Chewbaccer]

Aside from Bama getting most...Dabo Sweeney happened.

Georgia's out recruited Clemson, but Saban, Dabo and Kirby raiding the state might put a hurt on the local schools.

 

[jonvi]

Georgia's out recruited Clemson, but Saban, Dabo and Kirby raiding the state might put a hurt on the local schools.

Clemson and Bama and Ohio State and lately Georgia have extensively raided the state. Correct. There are reasons why the in-state programs allowed this to happen.

I agree with you both ... I just said clemson because SU's in the ACC. But yeah, the big 3 florida schools have not kept up.

 

[jonvi]

Sorry for the long answer but we've discussed this a lot on the Gator boards so here are the details:

UF is coming out of a down cycle and Mullen is a lousy recruiter. Mac was too late in addressing the recruiting shortcomings of his staff but he did actually make upgrades each year and by his last season, he had assembled some seriously good recruiters. UF was set for a good class, but then the wheels came off his 3rd season and he was fired. Mullen stupidly did not keep any of those assistants who could have really helped him.

In addition, the former AD Jeremy Foley treated football as a cash cow to pay for his beloved olympic and women's sports which nobody cares about. He foolishly acted as though the football program were an institution which was just entitled to win big and therefore did not need any reinvestment even while all of our SEC competitors were building big support staffs, increasing their stipends, building IPFs and standalone football facilities, etc. He publicly said that we "choose not to participate in the arms race". This of course did not stop the arms race. It simply meant that we fell behind.

He also self imposed a rule against oversigning.....meaning we cannot offer scholarships over and above the 85 cap and count on attrition to open up the needed spaces by August when freshmen enroll like several of our competitors. Since there always is some attrition every year, this has the effect of us always being a few scholarships under the 85 limit while our competitors are at the 85 limit....effectively giving the 2-4 extra chances to come up with good players every year.

Also, he implemented a policy of 4 year scholarships...meaning we would not cull even while our competitors were signing the max every year and culling nonperformers mercilessly. Again, this gave them several more chances to come up with good players each year.

And then there is admissions at UF which is allowed to get away with sabotaging the football program by imposing academic standards none of our competitors in the SEC or the state seem burdened with. For example, it is extremely difficult for us to take a Juco since most of them do not have as many math credits as we require. Somehow, its OK when anybody else in the SEC takes them though. Prime example this year is Juco CB Elijah Blades. We wanted him out of high school and he was committed to us but didn't have the grades. So he went the Juco route. Again he wanted to come but this time admissions blocked him saying he didn't have the math credits. So he just signed with aTm.

Our new AD gets it and is making investments in the program. We have built a full sized support staff and an IPF and have plans to build a standalone football facility in the next 2 or 3 years but it is taking some time to fix all the things Foley royally fucked up.

fsu and miami fell behind in the facilities arms race too. That and assistant coach payroll was a big reason why Jimbo Fisher left fsu.

Great answer and one i can relate to. If the school isn't behind the program in a manner consistent with a big D1 program, they are not going to compete.

 

[GatorTheo]

Sorry for the long answer but we've discussed this a lot on the Gator boards so here are the details:

UF is coming out of a down cycle and Mullen is a lousy recruiter. Mac was too late in addressing the recruiting shortcomings of his staff but he did actually make upgrades each year and by his last season, he had assembled some seriously good recruiters. UF was set for a good class, but then the wheels came off his 3rd season and he was fired. Mullen stupidly did not keep any of those assistants who could have really helped him.

In addition, the former AD Jeremy Foley treated football as a cash cow to pay for his beloved olympic and women's sports which nobody cares about. He foolishly acted as though the football program were an institution which was just entitled to win big and therefore did not need any reinvestment even while all of our SEC competitors were building big support staffs, increasing their stipends, building IPFs and standalone football facilities, etc. He publicly said that we "choose not to participate in the arms race". This of course did not stop the arms race. It simply meant that we fell behind.

He also self imposed a rule against oversigning.....meaning we cannot offer scholarships over and above the 85 cap and count on attrition to open up the needed spaces by August when freshmen enroll like several of our competitors. Since there always is some attrition every year, this has the effect of us always being a few scholarships under the 85 limit while our competitors are at the 85 limit....effectively giving the 2-4 extra chances to come up with good players every year.

Also, he implemented a policy of 4 year scholarships...meaning we would not cull even while our competitors were signing the max every year and culling nonperformers mercilessly. Again, this gave them several more chances to come up with good players each year.

And then there is admissions at UF which is allowed to get away with sabotaging the football program by imposing academic standards none of our competitors in the SEC or the state seem burdened with. For example, it is extremely difficult for us to take a Juco since most of them do not have as many math credits as we require. Somehow, its OK when anybody else in the SEC takes them though. Prime example this year is Juco CB Elijah Blades. We wanted him out of high school and he was committed to us but didn't have the grades. So he went the Juco route. Again he wanted to come but this time admissions blocked him saying he didn't have the math credits. So he just signed with aTm.

Our new AD gets it and is making investments in the program. We have built a full sized support staff and an IPF and have plans to build a standalone football facility in the next 2 or 3 years but it is taking some time to fix all the things Foley royally fucked up.

fsu and miami fell behind in the facilities arms race too. That and assistant coach payroll was a big reason why Jimbo Fisher left fsu.

Sounds like Foley and UF were trying to run an actual university that served all the students.....not just the football team.