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[Breed]

i think moses and sherf can make a good young pair on the right side , they held there own vs watt

When did Schreff and Moses go up against Watt? An intramural scrimmage between the Skins and Texans just recently?

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Mayock said he might be better suited as an OG not an OT in the NFL. Considering how the interior of the Skins OL has been manhandled, tossed away, and/or driven directly back into what was supposed to be a QB pocket. On what seems to be a semi-habitual basis. Schreff becoming an OG and hopefully contributing greatly to securing said interior line wouldn't be such a terrible thing imo.

I know you'll naturally hate it though, Dave, as in your eyes. OGs are a rung higher on the ladder than a punter.

As I said all spring there is a reason a guard has never been taken with a top 6 pick. And that reason is clear, you can find them later. If he ends up at guard and Williams turns into a beast this was a bad pick and I'll never come off that position. And yeah, the sales job I kept hearing for taking Scherff was he fills a huge need at RT.

After only 7 days they appear to have scrapped that idea, at least for now. Sorry, for the 6th pick in the draft I was not looking for a project at RT and I sure wasn't looking for a guard when they already had Long groomed and ready to go.

 

[skinsdad62]

When did Schreff and Moses go up against Watt? An intramural scrimmage between the Skins and Texans just recently?

look this isnt the regular season and they have a hell of a lot to prove , so far so good

 

[skinsdad62]

As I said all spring there is a reason a guard has never been taken with a top 6 pick. And that reason is clear, you can find them later. If he ends up at guard and Williams turns into a beast this was a bad pick and I'll never come off that position. And yeah, the sales job I kept hearing for taking Scherff was he fills a huge need at RT.

After only 7 days they appear to have scrapped that idea, at least for now. Sorry, for the 6th pick in the draft I was not looking for a project at RT and I sure wasn't looking for a guard when they already had Long groomed and ready to go.

i would disagree with that as well. if he is a OG and he turns into a zack martin type we should be pleased

 

[Caliskinsfan]

Too soon for any conclusions IMO. This says as much about cohesion on the line, evaluating, Long, and Moses as anything else.

I want the best 5 out there, in the strongest combo for right now.

And I'm going to wait on the draft analysis/critique for 3 years in the future.

 

[Breed]

look this isnt the regular season and they have a hell of a lot to prove , so far so good

Look at what? Your post where you claim Moses and Shcreff held their own against Watt? I already looked at that. Hence my question inquiring where you saw Moses and Schreff play against JJ Watt.

 

[Breed]

As I said all spring there is a reason a guard has never been taken with a top 6 pick. And that reason is clear, you can find them later. If he ends up at guard and Williams turns into a beast this was a bad pick and I'll never come off that position. And yeah, the sales job I kept hearing for taking Scherff was he fills a huge need at RT.

After only 7 days they appear to have scrapped that idea, at least for now. Sorry, for the 6th pick in the draft I was not looking for a project at RT and I sure wasn't looking for a guard when they already had Long groomed and ready to go.

Word, homey I'm with you on the not wanting a project at 6. I've had my fill of watching that movie all throughout the 2000s already with the Skins. But worst case scenario, if Schreff can't transition to an NFL RT. Other than hoping he can play OG what else can we do?

And by all means, stay posted at your position and take every opportunity to talk shit about how right your position was. I won't be mad at you. .

 

[skinsdad62]

Look at what? Your post where you claim Moses and Shcreff held their own against Watt? I already looked at that. Hence my question inquiring where you saw Moses and Schreff play against JJ Watt.

obviously today , word has it they held their own and i added yes its TC and yes they have a lot to prove and yes it sure is better then reading they got blown up by him time and time again

i could care less if he is an OG or not . can he play at a high level at RT or RG should be the only concern instead of some myth about when and where you take certain positions you take the best football players

 

[Sharkinva]

As I said all spring there is a reason a guard has never been taken with a top 6 pick. And that reason is clear, you can find them later. If he ends up at guard and Williams turns into a beast this was a bad pick and I'll never come off that position. And yeah, the sales job I kept hearing for taking Scherff was he fills a huge need at RT.

After only 7 days they appear to have scrapped that idea, at least for now. Sorry, for the 6th pick in the draft I was not looking for a project at RT and I sure wasn't looking for a guard when they already had Long groomed and ready to go.

Lets be real, the only way the pick was justified in the minds of some is going to be if Scherff is a 3-5 time probowl first ballot hall of fame type player. As far as Williams goes, it speaks more to me that 4 other teams passed on him before he got to us. Clearly the best player in the draft should NOT have been there at #5 after all.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Lets be real, the only way the pick was justified in the minds of some is going to be if Scherff is a 3-5 time probowl first ballot hall of fame type player. As far as Williams goes, it speaks more to me that 4 other teams passed on him before he got to us. Clearly the best player in the draft should NOT have been there at #5 after all.

The first 2 were QBs and that skews things obviously, nobody considered MM the 2nd best player in the draft. As for the previous posts I agree that it's obviously too early to make any calls what so ever on this pick so I"ll shut up now. I'll just close by repeating that I didn't want a project or a guard at 6 when you can get them at 15.

But I'm done here because I don't want to continue to appear as if I'm bashing a Redskin. I want him to be great and maybe Moses, who I liked last draft, can do the job at RT. Then everybody's happy.

 

[Breed]

obviously today , word has it they held their own and i added yes its TC and yes they have a lot to prove and yes it sure is better then reading they got blown up by him time and time again

i could care less if he is an OG or not . can he play at a high level at RT or RG should be the only concern instead of some myth about when and where you take certain positions you take the best football players

While I'm more aligned with the opinion you have, that being I'm not all that concerned whether Schreff is a OG or an OT. Dave's point about where/when certain positional players are drafted has merit. To my knowledge, John Hannah, picked with the 4th pick in the 1973 draft by the Pats, is the highest ever taken OG in NFL draft history. Did his career merit him being picked so high? Damn skippy it did. He's a member of the 75th Anniversary Team as the #1 selected OG. He's a member of not 1, but 2 All Decade Teams, was selected First Team All Pro 10 times and in 1981 Sports Illustrated dubbed him the best offensive lineman of all time.

And there are other OGs, Jim Parker, drafted with the 8th pick in the draft, Larry Allen, 46th pick in the draft, Steve Hutchinson, 17th pick in the draft, to name some. Who's careers are top pick in the draft-worthy and Hutch is a good case study for this very topic imo. Why? Because in the 2001 draft the Hawks had 2 1st round picks, the 9th pick and the 17th pick. With the 9th pick they selected Koren Robinson and Hutch with the 17th. Knowing what we know now. Hutch was w/o question the better pick of the two for the Hawks. Whether right or wrong though, there's a general consensus among supposed NFL people in the know that WR is a more valued position than OG. I'd opine that the Hawks used that as one of their metrics in selecting Robinson ahead of Hutch because they reasoned that Robinson might not be there to take at 17, but Hutch would be.

To use a more extreme example. Other than the Raiders. How many teams have taken a punter in the 1st rd of the draft like the Raiders did, Ray Guy, 23rd pick in 1973 draft. And a FG kicker in the 1st rd, Jano, 17th pk in 2000 draft. No team has and I seriously doubt any team ever will. Yet imo a damn good argument can be made that both Guy and Jano turned out to be good, even great picks for the Raiders.

Or to put it simply. John Hannah, Ray Guy and Jano, even though he's not retired yet. Have all proven to merit where they were picked at in the draft. But all three are also what I would call exceptions to the rule. Because by the rule, you can find OGs, punters and FG kickers well after the 1st round so there's no reason to draft them in the first round.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

If Moses is a good RT and Scherff is a great guard I'll never say another word about the pick. I'm rooting for this big time. I do kind of feel badly for Long. He was the starting guard. For a week.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

If Moses is a good RT and Scherff is a great guard I'll never say another word about the pick. I'm rooting for this big time. I do kind of feel badly for Long. He was the starting guard. For a week.

DGF, you have every right to speak your thoughts as much as you want. It's an opinion, we all have one. And there are many who agree with you out there in terms of draft position and Guards.

 

[deanpet21]

I have been saying what DGfan has been saying all through the off season up until the draft. Yes, I hope Sherff becomes a great player for us but he is not an NFL tackle. Moses who some people on here wrote off is going to be our starting RT this year. That speaks volumes that he beat out the #5 pick in the draft. I knew Sherff didn't have the foot speed to be an NFL tackle in this league. Knew It!! Yes his best position is guard. I believe Scherff will be the best OG on this team. He better be!!!

I wonder if Kojo is ahead of Long on the OG depth chart. The development of Moses and the fact hat Scherff cant ply RT just put Long on the bench. Plus Long cant even beat out Lavou. I knew this would happen. Where is Shark, skinsdad, jy19 and all the others calling me nuts b/c I thought he was not a NFL tackle?

 

[skinsdad62]

I have been saying what DGfan has been saying all through the off season up until the draft. Yes, I hope Sherff becomes a great player for us but he is not an NFL tackle. Moses who some people on here wrote off is going to be our starting RT this year. That speaks volumes that he beat out the #5 pick in the draft. I knew Sherff didn't have the foot speed to be an NFL tackle in this league. Knew It!! Yes his best position is guard. I believe Scherff will be the best OG on this team. He better be!!!

I wonder if Kojo is ahead of Long on the OG depth chart. The development of Moses and the fact hat Scherff cant ply RT just put Long on the bench. Plus Long cant even beat out Lavou. I knew this would happen. Where is Shark, skinsdad, jy19 and all the others calling me nuts b/c I thought he was not a NFL tackle?

well i am glad we can ascertain that after 2 practices sherf is a failure at RT , he isnt and if you remember , which i doubt you do , we both said we didnt care what position he played OG or RT , he was the pick

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Starting a rookie and a 2nd year man with very limited experience on the right side is a lot of inexperience. As bad as Lauvao is I don't see another rookie taking his spot anytime soon.