Riley Reiff at Left Tackle

[tpaulus_2]

I'm not concerned about him. I'll leave that job to you and muzzer.

 

[tpaulus_2]

Come on Bronco -- I sure hope you don't truly believe this. Left Tackle, far and away, has the most difficult blocking assignment. Not only is the LT responsible for the blind side of the QB, but he is facing the best pass rusher 1 on 1 all game long.

This would be true, if it wasn't completely false.

Most teams use their best pass rusher on the left side of the d-line to take advantage of the (generally) lesser skill set of the right tackle.

Moving the ends around is also a trend that's been picking up steam recently.

So, no, the left tackle generally doesn't face the best pass rusher all game long.

 

[tpaulus_2]

I have been thinking that Michael Williams could end up getting moved from TE to RT. If he is that good of a blocker and could add 20-25 pounds that may be the Lions thinking when they drafted him.

Naughty Max brought this up too... I could definitely see that happening.

 

[tpaulus_2]

The biggest difference is -- He isn't one on one blocking a speed rusher lined up as a TE, he is doubling the DE with the tackle.

It all depends on the play call. Often TEs will handle an edge rusher one on one when the tackle is asked to combo on the DT or if the protection is sliding to accommodate a blitz.

You make it sound way too black and white, like a TE blocks the same guy, the same way, every time.

The whole point is moot, though since Reiff wasn't even a TE last year. That three tackle set is proving to be pretty difficult for you to grasp, I see...

 

[tpaulus_2]

To put it simply, he was drafted to play on the offensive line. As long as he achieves starter status, he should be considered a succesful draft pick. Really doesn't matter much after that, although the arguments can be entertaining at times.

 

[broncosmitty]

MikeD, you may be missing what it is that I'm actually taking exception to. It's you. More so your constant fucking use of absolutes. In general, I'd agree that the LT is very important, if not the most important member of the Oline. (In general being somewhat syrong of a term there still) Often, a teams best all around DE is lined up against him. (This is in total contradiction to what you keep harping on) In many cases, NFL teams run pass oriented offenses. Making a QBs left hand side susceptible to unseen attackers. (The term "blindside" will not be used by me) But you use absolute terms which I don't even have to look past the Lions in order to disprove. It gets really fucking old man, really fucking fast. And who the hell is having the conversation you quoted to prove to me re difference between Left and Right Tackle? I'd like more names on your list still btw.

 

[tpaulus_2]

Come on now -- you are slipping. Detroit selected Brandon Pettigrew over such notable players drafted behind him like Percy Harvin, Clay Mathews, Michael Oher and Hakeem Nicks to name a couple. Detroit has no need for an OL, WR or OLB though, so no biggie.

That's just plain weak.

You can use that same argument for any team. Hindsight is 20/20 and using it to pick apart successful draft picks (as Pettigrew has definitely been a good pick) is just cowardly. Anyone can look at a draft 4 years later and say "we should have taken this guy, or that guy".

It amazes me how much some of you thrive off pissing and moaning about a team you claim to like...

 

[tpaulus_2]

Id say he was drafted to be a LT.....Much Like Rieff was.....I'd say Balitmore is getting more then we are until I see Reiff at LT and doing the same thing as Oher.

You do realize that Oher isn't a LT, right? If Reiff is doing the same thing as Oher that would mean he's playing RT...

 

[tpaulus_2]

The overwhelming majority of teams put their best pass rusher on the right side -- Here are a few:
DeMarcus Ware -- Dallas
Michael Johnson -- Cincy
Julius Peppers -- Chicago
Charles Johnson -- Carolina
Elvis Dumervil -- Baltimore
Osi Umenyora -- Atlanta
Clay Matthews -- Green Bay
Tamba Hali -- Kansas City
Jared Allen -- Minnesota
Chandler Jones -- New England
Jason Pierre Paul -- NYG
Aldon Smith -- SF

These are just the household name studs who play on the right side. After the draft -- there will be a few others drafted in the 1st round who will also be playing on the right side.

Dion Jordan -- Miami
Ziggy Ansah -- Detroit
Jarvis Jones -- Pittsburgh

So yes -- the LT is going to face the best pass rushing specialists in the majority of the games.

These things you post- do you make them up right off the top of your head, or are you one of those types who can decide something and then convince yourself that it's true.

I don't know if you think you're the only one on this site that actually watches football, but the majority of us know when you're just posting crap like this...

 

[tpaulus_2]

I just put up the household names -- if you'd like me to list the entire league, i can. It is common knowledge that teams usually put there best pass rusher on the right side, as it is the blind side for the QB.

It isn't as if I'm making this up.

You put up household names, yes. You didn't put up household names who all rush from the right side, however.

It's, in fact, not common knowledge, as I've already pointed out.

You do seem to be making this stuff up, as is often the case in many of your posts when the debating starts...

 

[tpaulus_2]

I see there is no shortage of long winded posts on here from the usual suspects.

Well shit.

I thought I was keeping them nice and short...

 

[tpaulus_2]

Here you go Smitty -- an explanation for you on the difference between RT and LT.

I think your source on that one is either pretty dated, or working off some dated information.

The NFL is a very evolutionary league. As the left tackles have evolved into athletic monsters teams have started moving their best pass rushers around to find better match-ups...

 

[tpaulus_2]

Here is a link for GBs depth chart. You should write in and tell them they are incorrect and Clay Matthews is not the ROLB in their 3-4.

Green Bay Packers 2012 Depth Chart - Base 3-4 D - ESPN

Yeah- let's not use the actual games as our reference... not like they matter at all...

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

Yeah he may be labeled as a ROLB, but he lines up everywhere. If u can't see that with your own eyes, then there's no hope. Doesn't matter what he's officially labeled.

unfortunately - they don't have a position called the everywhere linebacker. his official position is ROLB, because that is where the majority of teams put their best pass rushing player.

 

[Coyote57]

2nd attempt, the 1st seems to have disapeared into cyberspace, if it shows up... apologies.

Guys, this thread has me somewhat confused. The LT / RT thing is such a broad brush stroke w/ so many exceptions to it, its barely even a rule of thumb. Its more a Type Descpritor, than anything else... i.e., is the guy an road-grading mauler who'll create a surge on the LOS? Or, is he more the dancing-in-open-space, read-n-react type?

Then, you gotta consider the offensive scheme, too. What are they asking the guy to do? Are we talking about zone-blocking for one-cut-n-slash type runners, or body bangers for the power runner?

Sorta like talking H. S. Fullbacks.... We talking wing-t or I formation offense? In W-T he's a Ball handler and focal point. In the I he's a blocker who gets no glory.

And, then there's the left-handed QB and potential changes that makes as to where the blind side is, and so on a so forth.

 

[tpaulus_2]

Here's some evidence that Matthews isn't strictly a ROLB.

This is from the Super Bowl, one of his "signature plays" of his career so far. Watch the video and tell me whee he rushed from-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulq1xcyaU_w

I tried to imbed the video with that youtube icon thing, but it wasn't working. Anyone know how to use that feature?

 

[Mebert]

Since I weigh as much as a Defensive Tackle I feel qualified to resolve this argument.



The best pass rusher is whoever you line up way outside of position on the d-line in Madden, Since you can do that on either side I think Tpaul is correct

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

Yeah- let's not use the actual games as our reference... not like they matter at all...

since you want to use the actual games -- go ahead and give me the breakdown of how many times he rushed from the left side and right side.

 

[Mebert]

Eric Fisher will not be playing LT this year, he is clearly a bust!!!!

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

You put up household names, yes. You didn't put up household names who all rush from the right side, however.

It's, in fact, not common knowledge, as I've already pointed out.

You do seem to be making this stuff up, as is often the case in many of your posts when the debating starts...

what am i making up? you show me a player i listed who isn't penciled in to start on the right side for their team.

whether they move around or not depends on the defense and team, but it doesn't change the fact that they start the games on the right side of the defense.

saying otherwise would be like arguing Calvin Johnson is a slot WR, because he will line up in the slot a couple times a game.