The Case Against MJ as the GOAT (topical discussion only please)

[Tomhusker]

So you can't name a single person that has said LeBron > MJ. Just as I figured.

So, if not MJ, who?

 

[tlance]

So, if not MJ, who?

Ummm….

He said he had MJ as GOAT

But it is very close.

The only people who are wrong are the ones pretending it isn’t.

 

[Wamu]

So, if not MJ, who?

Are you alright? Here's a quick review for you. Seems you have forgotten what you said.

No. Those who think he is better than Jordan are.

Odd you refuse to answer exactly who has said LeBron > MJ.

 

[Wamu]

Ummm….

He said he had MJ as GOAT <---

But it is very close.

The only people who are wrong are the ones pretending it isn’t.

Ain't it odd how he ignored I said that?

 

[tlance]

Ain't it odd how he ignored I said that?

Don’t think he can get past the thread title

 

[Wamu]

Don’t think he can get past the thread title

That would explain things. Because he's being irrational.

 

[Albuquerque Rams]

I could make a GOAT case for 5 players.. but notice that even suggesting MJ isn’t the goat makes MJ fans rage towards Lebron without any prompting

I made this argument specifically in this manner to not just make the case, but to show the insecurity of MJ fanatics when it comes to Lebron James, which occurs every time

Funny 'cause Bron Stans throw a hissy fit any time you don't use any of his many excuses or even suggest he might not be the GOAT. At a much greater rate than MJ fans. No fanbase is more insecure or disingenuous than Bronsexuals.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

Look at his ppg average + his lousy FG %.

Both not elite for his time, agreed. Look at his rebounds, look at his defense, look at his effect on games, look at his MVP's.

I didn't know they just gave 5 MVP's out to bums.

Do you even follow the NBA?

Yes, do you?

Do you rate players by rings only...if so does that mean you got Horry (7 rings) > MJ (6)? Now see how absurd of a question that is.

Except I never did that.

I'd read posts more carefully before you reply.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

No fanbase is more insecure or disingenuous than Bronsexuals.

The fact that you have to use that moniker shows you're quite insecure.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

Because he was the best player on a team full of HOFers.

A defensive specialist simply cannot be the greatest of all time.

That is what Russell was. The GOAT has to dominate on both ends of the court.

If he was just a defensive specialist, he wouldn't have 5 MVP's.

It's really remarkable that you're trying to write off Russell as some Dennis Rodman... Did Rodman ever get into the top 10 in MVP voting once?

You don't have to agree Russell is the outright GOAT, but you're really avoiding some hard truths here. So they just gave MVP's out to any old player who played good defense back then? is that how it worked?

 

[Albuquerque Rams]

The fact that you have to use that moniker shows you're quite insecure.

Bron Stans have an almost sexual fascination with him. It's an appropriate label.

A fanbase that needs a laundry list of excuses, narratives and degradations of prior legends is by far the most insecure in the world. What you call "insecurity" from the Jordan crowd is merely countering the excuses and narratives.

 

[Albuquerque Rams]

If he was just a defensive specialist, he wouldn't have 5 MVP's.

It's really remarkable that you're trying to write off Russell as some Dennis Rodman... Did Rodman ever get into the top 10 in MVP voting once?

You don't have to agree Russell is the outright GOAT, but you're really avoiding some hard truths here. So they just gave MVP's out to any old player who played good defense back then? is that how it worked?

Russell had to be surrounded by a bunch of scorers for a reason; he wasn't good enough at that end to carry them on the offensive side. Give Dikembe Mutombo or Ben Wallace that many scorers and they'll be 5-time MVPs or 11 time champs.

 

[tlance]

If he was just a defensive specialist, he wouldn't have 5 MVP's.

It's really remarkable that you're trying to write off Russell as some Dennis Rodman... Did Rodman ever get into the top 10 in MVP voting once?

You don't have to agree Russell is the outright GOAT, but you're really avoiding some hard truths here. So they just gave MVP's out to any old player who played good defense back then? is that how it worked?

It was a different era.

There simply wasn’t a lot of competition back then.

Best player on best team won MVP. That is how it was awarded.