Riley Reiff at Left Tackle

[tpaulus_2]

This would be true, if it wasn't completely false.

Most teams use their best pass rusher on the left side of the d-line to take advantage of the (generally) lesser skill set of the right tackle.

Moving the ends around is also a trend that's been picking up steam recently.

So, no, the left tackle generally doesn't face the best pass rusher all game long.

I'd like to amend my own post. I shouldn't say "most" teams, since I don't have the numbers in front of me.

I will say that a lot of teams are trending towards using their best pass rusher(s) all over the place to take advantage of better match-ups. This is especially true in 3-4 alignments.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

These things you post- do you make them up right off the top of your head, or are you one of those types who can decide something and then convince yourself that it's true.

I don't know if you think you're the only one on this site that actually watches football, but the majority of us know when you're just posting crap like this...

once again -- you show me what about the players i listed is "made up".

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

This would be true, if it wasn't completely false.

Most teams use their best pass rusher on the left side of the d-line to take advantage of the (generally) lesser skill set of the right tackle.

Since it is completely false -- go ahead and give me the list of players used on the left side and include the guys on the right they are better than.

 

[tpaulus_2]

MikeD, you may be missing what it is that I'm actually taking exception to. It's you. More so your constant fucking use of absolutes. In general, I'd agree that the LT is very important, if not the most important member of the Oline. (In general being somewhat syrong of a term there still) Often, a teams best all around DE is lined up against him. (This is in total contradiction to what you keep harping on) In many cases, NFL teams run pass oriented offenses. Making a QBs left hand side susceptible to unseen attackers. (The term "blindside" will not be used by me) But you use absolute terms which I don't even have to look past the Lions in order to disprove. It gets really fucking old man, really fucking fast. And who the hell is having the conversation you quoted to prove to me re difference between Left and Right Tackle? I'd like more names on your list still btw.

This. Like x 100.

It's those absolute terms that get old. The rest of us are having a discussion on this stuff- you're "informing" us of how it really is...

 

[tpaulus_2]

Since I weigh as much as a Defensive Tackle I feel qualified to resolve this argument.



The best pass rusher is whoever you line up way outside of position on the d-line in Madden, Since you can do that on either side I think Tpaul is correct

Ha! The wide-9 is waaaay more effective in Madden than in real life... I still play Madden 09 because I'm like 25 years into my franchise- I had Ernie Sims at LDE and had worked his speed up to 99 and he tore it up. I had like 400+ sacks out of him over his 17 year career...

 

[tpaulus_2]

You'd think that if one guy was arguing with a dozen others about something that maybe, just maybe, he'd think to himself- "Hey, maybe I'm missing something here... what are the odds that I'm right and everyone else is wrong?"

 

[tpaulus_2]

And it's not that we all even totally disagree with you, it's your absolutest stance. You're completely unwilling to compromise on anything.

I think "stubborn" or "proud" is the correct word for this situation...

 

[tpaulus_2]

But I'll give you this much- you are the king at facilitating discussions/debates on here. These threads take off like crazy when you start poking the proverbial bear.

I don't know about anyone else, but I find these little arguments highly entertaining...

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

You'd think that if one guy was arguing with a dozen others about something that maybe, just maybe, he'd think to himself- "Hey, maybe I'm missing something here... what are the odds that I'm right and everyone else is wrong?"

feel free to prove me wrong. show me where i lied about the positions of the players i put on that list, since you said it is 'made up'.

also feel free to show me all of the teams that use their best pass rusher on the left and show me the guys on the right they are better than.

it should be easy to do, as you said, most teams put their best pass rushers on the left side.

lastly -- it isn't as if this board is any different than CBS -- the same small group of friends would back each other up, no matter the argument. i could say the sky is blue and those same people would argue that i am wrong. LOL.

 

[Mebert]

I tried last years Madden, but the slapped all players who enjoy offline play in the face. If you wanted to play an franchise off line you could not use the most up to date rosters, had to be online for that. Fuck you in your stupid fucking face EA

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

I don't know about anyone else, but I find these little arguments highly entertaining...

i enjoy them as well. i'm still waiting for that list of teams that use their best pass rusher on the left side. I can think of two offhand.

 

[Mebert]

Unless Ansah picks up the pro game very quickly the Lions best pass rusher will be in the middle

 

[Old Lion]

lastly -- it isn't as if this board is any different than CBS -- the same small group of friends would back each other up, no matter the argument. i could say the sky is blue and those same people would argue that i am wrong. LOL.

I just looked outside and it is grey

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

I think "stubborn" or "proud" is the correct word for this situation...

i guess i have the same qualities as Jim Schwartz, as you guys seem to think he was too stubborn or proud to play Riley Reiff last year.

 

[tpaulus_2]

feel free to prove me wrong. show me where i lied about the positions of the players i put on that list, since you said it is 'made up'.

also feel free to show me all of the teams that use their best pass rusher on the left and show me the guys on the right they are better than.

it should be easy to do, as you said, most teams put their best pass rushers on the left side.

lastly -- it isn't as if this board is any different than CBS -- the same small group of friends would back each other up, no matter the argument. i could say the sky is blue and those same people would argue that i am wrong. LOL.

Lol, it's not about proving you wrong. Most of us don't feel the need to seek validation via an online fooseball message board.

The argument at hand is centered around your rigid inability to see other's points of view and assimilate that information into your own knowledge bank.

The last 10-12 years saw the rise of the LT as a pass rush thwarting specialist. As such, modern defenses are changing accordingly. With the rise of the spread offense and the NFL turning into primarily a passing league, there's far more opportunity for the defense to rush the passer. Rather than just letting their best pass rusher go one on one against the best pass protector, d-coordinators are moving them around to find advantageous match-ups.

It's like with shut-down CBs: they used to shadow the opposing team's #1 WR. But now WRs are becoming so tall and fast and talented (coupled with increased PI rules) that there's very, very few CBs that can handle them one on one. So, in response, defenses have adapted- most #1 CBs now shadow the opposing team's #2 WR now and shut him down while the #2 CB takes the #1 WR and always gets help via the safety of slot CB double teaming him.

That's where this argument is coming from. The NFL is a fluid, evolutionary league. Things change game to game and especially year to year. Everyone is trying to stay ahead of everyone else.

It's not that the information you're offering is "wrong" per se, but it's not always right, either. I'd say the best pass rushers are much closer to 50-50 on which side they rush from, rather than it being an accepted, stead-fast rule that they always rush from the right side.

Left tackles are key because they protect the QBs blind side (to use Smitty's favorite term), not because they're facing the other team's best pass rusher all game long...

 

[RobBase]

Football Defense Terms - For Dummies

Open end: A defensive end who lines up to the split end or open end side of the formation — away from the tight end side. (If the offensive formation has two tight ends, there’s no open side and therefore no open end.)

Coaches generally put their best pass-rusher at the open end position for two reasons:

• He has the athletic ability to match up with the offensive tackle.
• If he’s positioned wide enough, a running back may be forced to attempt to block him, which would be a mismatch.

Pass-rushing end: A player on the defense who has superior skills at combating offensive linemen and pressuring the quarterback. These ends can line up on either side of the defensive line.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

Lol, it's not about proving you wrong.

So what you are saying is -- you looked at the depth charts and realized what I said is right, thus you won't give me a list of the teams who use their best pass rusher primarily on the left side (even though you said most teams do that)

 

[tpaulus_2]

I tried last years Madden, but the slapped all players who enjoy offline play in the face. If you wanted to play an franchise off line you could not use the most up to date rosters, had to be online for that. Fuck you in your stupid fucking face EA

I think that new physcis engine they're so proud of is atrocious.

I rented 13 to try it before I bought it. On my first offensive series I went to make a fast cut with a RB and he flailed around like a blowtard and fell down without being touched.

I had the same problems with DEs biffing it when rushing the passer.

It's the same thing as gran turismo 5, imo. These companies are too stuck on trying to make their product a simulation, and they're forgetting that it's supposed to be a fucking video game for godssakes...

Needless to say EA will not be getting my $60 for their product this year. I'm still pissed about the NFL agreeing to monopolize their video game products. Imo, the "2k" series was a far superior game franchise...

 

[tpaulus_2]

I just looked outside and it is grey

Touche!

 

[tpaulus_2]

So what you are saying is -- you looked at the depth charts and realized what I said is right, thus you won't give me a list of the teams who use their best pass rusher primarily on the left side (even though you said most teams do that)

What I'm saying is that I have the ability to use my feaking brain and go with what I see on the field. The game is far more complex than what an depthchart has to tell you.

I'm not interested in a token list of what side a pass rusher is listed as playing on. I'm going to go with what my eyes tell me, and what I read- and that is that pass rushers are increasingly being moved to wherever they can best be utilized.

Let's just take a quick look at our division-

Lions best rusher was Avril, LDE.

Packers is Matthews, who moves around all game.

The Bears is Peppers, who rushes from both ends.

The Vikings is Allen, who pretty much rushes only from the right side.

So right there we have one who is a LDE, one who is a RDE, and two who move based on what the offense shows.

So, like I've been saying, this is a giant grey area. Defenses are complex and fluid, more so with each passing season. Factor in the rise of the pass rushing undertackle and things really get muddled...