Redzone offense

[bvanthielriceyoung]

The 49ers ran 11 plays inside the Cardinals' 20-yard line. Crabtree was on the sideline for four of those plays, and he was not the intended target on any of the other seven plays.

 

[Flyingiguana]

i've been thinking they must do the gameplan for the redzone offense late friday night after a long trip to the pub

 

[zman1527]

I honestly think they have to consider just making it 4 down territory. Just keep going for the TD unless you get to 4th and 10 or longer. Even if you turn it over on downs you have put the other team in a field position hole. And we go nowhere in the playoffs with 5 field goals and no TDs in a game.

 

[deep9er]

The 49ers ran 11 plays inside the Cardinals' 20-yard line. Crabtree was on the sideline for four of those plays, and he was not the intended target on any of the other seven plays.

maybe he's not physical enough within 5 yards or so? maybe he's not quick enough down there?

anyways, don't abandon the run.

 

[imac_21]

maybe he's not physical enough within 5 yards or so? maybe he's not quick enough down there?

anyways, don't abandon the run.

If he's not physical enough, you don't take him off to put Ginn on the field.

And Crabtree is quicker than Ginn as well. The only WR quicker than Crabtree on the roster is Williams.

 

[bvanthielriceyoung]

maybe he's not physical enough within 5 yards or so? maybe he's not quick enough down there?

anyways, don't abandon the run.

I'd would say those are Crabtrees strengths right there. Crabtree is definitely quick, just not fast. He also has great agility which can be very helpful in shaking a defender loose in those close yardage situations. He's a pretty physical receiver as well.

Crabtree doesnt have great height but he has those really long arms which can help in the redzone too. Really, Crabtree's skill set and physical abilities, should make him one of the ideal redzone targets on our team.

 

[deep9er]

I'd would say those are Crabtrees strengths right there. Crabtree is definitely quick, just not fast. He also has great agility which can be very helpful in shaking a defender loose in those close yardage situations. He's a pretty physical receiver as well.

Crabtree doesnt have great height but he has those really long arms which can help in the redzone too. Really, Crabtree's skill set and physical abilities, should make him one of the ideal redzone targets on our team.

ok. don't know, just speculating.....

don't have a problem at all with Crabtree, always felt he'd come around along with Anthony Davis. not to say they'll be Pro Bowlers, but solid starters, not just 'starters'.

 

[Flyingiguana]

I honestly think they have to consider just making it 4 down territory. Just keep going for the TD unless you get to 4th and 10 or longer. Even if you turn it over on downs you have put the other team in a field position hole. And we go nowhere in the playoffs with 5 field goals and no TDs in a game.

lol, i was thinking after the td we should go for 2 just to practice our goal line offense

 

[deep9er]

speculating some more....................there are MANY reasons for our red zone woes.

feel on most passing plays any where on the field, Alex Smith takes a little longer to process. granted we're talking fractional seconds, but he just seems to take a little longer on most passes?

so in the red zone, where windows are tighter, his "conservative" nature (don't turn it over) hinders him anywhere between the numbers. not that he can't do it, but it makes him hesitate even more. Harbaugh knows this so avoids calling these plays, defenses know this and scheme accordingly.

IF this is somewhat applicable, can't say this approach is totally wrong either. cause if Alex isn't comfortable it'll lead to turnovers, whether not seeing all the defenders, tipped passes at LOS, bobbled catch, whatever...guess the odds favor running or throwing on the edges. sooner or later we'll have to work these passes back in, even if slowly.

 

[BallsOfFury]

so in the red zone, where windows are tighter, his "conservative" nature (don't turn it over) hinders him anywhere between the numbers. not that he can't do it, but it makes him hesitate even more. Harbaugh knows this so avoids calling these plays, defenses know this and scheme accordingly.

I don't know, until later this season, Alex had a very solid record inside the red zone. I wonder if the play calling is affecting his decision making?

 

[tallglassofwater007]

I'm gonna throw something else out there.

I think one of our biggest problems in the red zone is stupid penalties. Penalties kill drives and we always seem to get to the 20 or 15 then have a penalty. In general...all these delay of games and wasted time outs saving those penalties are pissing me off. It's week 13 for fucks sake...get that taken care of.

For all the praise this coaching staff has has been getting this year, I think they deserve some criticism as well. A lot of penalties, a lot of delay of games. Some really bad play calls that maybe aren't turnovers, but stall drives. And not the greatest red zone playcalling, although Smith needs to try and fit the ball in a little more...let the guys make plays. (I know we don't have Fitzgerald, but look what Skelton did, just let him make a play) Another thing is that the pressure isn't always from being dominated or whatever by the defense. It looks like a lot of guys don't know who they should be blocking, especially on blitz pick up. The line and backs aren't always playing like a unit. This is the fault of the players, but more on the coaching staff. I know sometimes penalties happen, and guys miss assignments, but those things I put more on the coaches than the players.

 

[h0ckeysk83r]

I don't know, until later this season, Alex had a very solid record inside the red zone. I wonder if the play calling is affecting his decision making?

sometimes they have gotten a little to cute with the playcalling. Just need to simplify it!

 

[deep9er]

I don't know, until later this season, Alex had a very solid record inside the red zone. I wonder if the play calling is affecting his decision making?

oh yeah, he did well in 2009 in tandem with Vernon Davis. but WAS he solid other than that year?

maybe it is Harbaugh's play calling? in any case, IMO we should go ahead and throw one between the numbers. cause its an eye towards the play-offs and thats not a time to try.

 

[h0ckeysk83r]

oh yeah, he did well in 2009 in tandem with Vernon Davis. but WAS he solid other than that year?

maybe it is Harbaugh's play calling? in any case, IMO we should go ahead and throw one between the numbers. cause its an eye towards the play-offs and thats not a time to try.

His TD-INT ratio is very good in the red zone career wise. Hes always been good in that aspect. As far as his total TD%-FG% i cant tell ya. His stats are somewhere around here.

 

[Crimsoncrew]

oh yeah, he did well in 2009 in tandem with Vernon Davis. but WAS he solid other than that year?

maybe it is Harbaugh's play calling? in any case, IMO we should go ahead and throw one between the numbers. cause its an eye towards the play-offs and thats not a time to try.

In 2010, Smith was 30 of 42 for 177 yards with seven TDs and no INTs in the red zone. He took one sack. Inside of 10, he was 11 of 17 with four TDs, no INTs, and no sacks.

In 2006, he was 28 of 57 for 162 with nine TDs, one INT, and two sacks. Inside the 10, he was 13 of 24 for 6 TDs, no INTs, no sacks.

So yes, I'd say he has done well in the red zone outside 2009, and this year his performance has fallen off.

 

[deep9er]

His TD-INT ratio is very good in the red zone career wise. Hes always been good in that aspect. As far as his total TD%-FG% i cant tell ya. His stats are somewhere around here.

ok, so throw out that 'speculation'.

then more so, ONE of the fixes just may be pass ANY where in the red zone?

 

[bigpb72]

i wouldnt blame smith either its most def the play calling. And i dont think you go to crabby Its GORE! VD! Then Crabby imo. they do not put the ball up to vd enough it pisses me off fade to vd should come once a redzone trip at least they neeeeever run it. So they cant say he is doubled, flank the stud out wide bring peele and Dalanie in to block Give it to gore or fade that shit to vd damn its not rocket science!

 

[Crimsoncrew]

i wouldnt blame smith either its most def the play calling. And i dont think you go to crabby Its GORE! VD! Then Crabby imo. they do not put the ball up to vd enough it pisses me off fade to vd should come once a redzone trip at least they neeeeever run it. So they cant say he is doubled, flank the stud out wide bring peele and Dalanie in to block Give it to gore or fade that shit to vd damn its not rocket science!

The fade is a finesse play. It doesn't play to Davis' strengths at all. I have also wondered why we haven't made more use of Davis' vertical - and Morgan's for that matter - but he's never shown much ability to go up after a contested ball and win it.

 

[bigpb72]

Crim you haven't seen it in the endzone why becuase they never do it, However when they go vert he has moss'ed ppl plenty of times and he is big and strong put the ball where only he can get it and i'll put money on it he comes down with it 8 outta 10 times. think who's strong enough to jam him on the line? play off him back shoulder or quick slant, double him hand it to gore, put a LB on him throw the fade ill take my chances. they are not even running these plays to say they don't work there doing bullshit like lol roll out faderoute Ginn really lol --__-- like all you can do is laugh smh.

 

[Flyingiguana]

i've been thinking we need to get our defensive linemen more involved in our redzone offense