Redskins

[Caliskinsfan]

 

[TheRedPlectrum]

What is the most offensive and derogatory term you could call a native american, if you actually, truly wanted to put them down? The first thing that comes to my mind is 'redskin.' Would the Washington Ni***rs be allowed? Or the L. A. Ch**ks? No? Then change it. Either something new, or just shorten it to 'Reds,' (you know, like Cincinnati baseball).

 

[HaroldSeattle]

What is the most offensive and derogatory term you could call a native american, if you actually, truly wanted to put them down? The first thing that comes to my mind is 'redskin.' Would the Washington Ni***rs be allowed? Or the L. A. Ch**ks? No? Then change it. Either something new, or just shorten it to 'Reds,' (you know, like Cincinnati baseball).

Who even tries to be derogatory to native Americans? Nobody I know.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

I wonder how many interviews go like this

Poller(or whatever) "Do you think the Washington Redskins should change their name?
Interviewee "I dunno, why should they change their name?"
P "Because it’s Racist"
I "Oh it is? I never knew that, well yes, then they definitely need to change the name. I didn’t know it was racist…..Hey Jenny did you the name Redskins name was racist?"
J "huh, really?"

 

[HaroldSeattle]

I wonder how many interviews go like this

Poller(or whatever) "Do you think the Washington Redskins should change their name?
Interviewee "I dunno, why should they change their name?"
P "Because it’s Racist"
I "Oh it is? I never knew that, well yes, then they definitely need to change the name. I didn’t know it was racist…..Hey Jenny did you the name Redskins name was racist?"
J "huh, really?"

Sounds about right.

 

[WNY_FOOTBALL_DUDE]

Well I don't think the Redskins are hurting for customers, but they'll most likely get hounded to death by political correctness crowd until they change their name.

Never said they were "hurting for customers." My point was that there's more money out there, IF they change the name to something more appropriate.

It's a PR problem as well: Synder is seen as anti-Native American and doesn't seem to care about the Native American community and their feelings. That's the other issue. I am not saying he's, but he's projecting himself as that. Changing the name to something more respectful of the Native American culture will only produce positive results.

You do understand that Redskins is a hurtful term to the Native American community, right? It's not seen as a positive description of them, and quite frankly, I don't see why a sports team, which is suppose to inclusive and non-controversial, should continue to alienate people.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Never said they were "hurting for customers." My point was that there's more money out there, IF they change the name to something more appropriate.

It's a PR problem as well: Synder is seen as anti-Native American and doesn't seem to care about the Native American community and their feelings. That's the other issue. I am not saying he's, but he's projecting himself as that. Changing the name to something more respectful of the Native American culture will only produce positive results.

You do understand that Redskins is a hurtful term to the Native American community, right? It's not seen as a positive description of them, and quite frankly, I don't see why a sports team, which is suppose to inclusive and non-controversial, should continue to alienate people.

Sounds like political correctness to me dude. Truthfully, even though I ran across a lot of bigots, I have never hear someone refer to Native Americans as Redskins as a insult or even anything. That's just some thing from the past that isn't used anymore.
Tell have you ever in your life hear anyone refer to Native Americans as Redskins, in any way? I doubt it.

 

[SonnyCID]

Who even tries to be derogatory to native Americans? Nobody I know.

I grew up right off the Muckleshoot reservation. I saw a lot of derogatory words thrown at them. I sure as fuck wouldn't go around there calling them Redskin, unless you're looking for a fight.

 

[WNY_FOOTBALL_DUDE]

I grew up right off the Muckleshoot reservation. I saw a lot of derogatory words thrown at them. I sure as fuck wouldn't go around there calling them Redskin, unless you're looking for a fight.

This is exactly why I think the name should be changed. It's an insult term, and something which doesn't match the values in a sports environment. Denying that "Redskin" is an insult, is denying reality.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

Retired Native American Chief Would Be Offended If Redskins Did Change Name « CBS DC

This is NOT a 'white man' explaining this

Why are people offended by it?
“Well I think that, first of all, our country has become too politically correct. And you can find it in any number of areas. Little League, where everybody has to get a trophy now, or otherwise, the poor child that doesn’t get a trophy will have his psyche hurt.”

Origin of the Name
“And I think what you have to do is look at where the term Redskin was originated. There’s some that give the term Redskins a negative connotation to indicate that it was created by the white man, to offend the Indians. But in reality, the term Redskins came from the Indians. And they referred to themselves often times, in treaty negotiations and meetings with the early settlers, as Redskins.
“So it’s not a term that the white man created. It’s actually a term that the Indians themselves created. I just think we have people in this country that try and gin up problems that don’t exist.”

 

[Caliskinsfan]

More from Robert "Two Eagles" Green...


In May of last year, another Native American, Robert “Two Eagles” Green, who retired from his presiding role over the 1300-member Patawomeck Tribe in March of that year, spoke on a NFL Sirius Radio show. Green said he will be offended IF the name is changed. The story didn’t receive much publicity but here are Green’s quotes that also point to the origin of the name.
“I think that first of all, you have to make a decision whether you consider it offensive or not, and frankly, the members of my tribe, the vast majority, don’t find it offensive,” Green said. “I’ve been a Redskins fan for years and to be honest with you, I would be offended if they did change it.”

“And I think what you have to do is look at where the term Redskin was originated. There’s some that give the term Redskins a negative connotation to indicate that it was created by the white man, to offend the Indians. But in reality, the term Redskins came from the Indians. And they referred to themselves often times, in treaty negotiations and meetings with the early settlers, as Redskins.

“So it’s not a term that the white man created. It’s actually a term that the Indians themselves created. I just think we have people in this country that try and gin up problems that don’t exist.”

“Now, our investigation into the term goes back pretty far – to 1608 – when John Smith was traveling from Jamestown to meet with the Indian people, and he remarked in his diary that when they’re born, they’re as white as we are. It’s only as they age that their skin darkens.

“And we believe that that was a reason for that. We use a bug repellent, for lack of a better term, that was made up of animal fat and the dye of the Puccoon plant. And coincidentally, the Puccoon dye, when it’s crushed and dyed, is red. And so for years, the Indian people were rubbing this red dye into their skin. And some of the other early settlers remarked that their skin turns red. So, was that a comment meant to denigrate the Indian people? I don’t think so. I don’t think the name was created by George Preston Marshall to be offensive.”

“And if you look at the logo, there’s nothing offensive about the logo. I think one of the great things about the logo is that it’s an Eastern Indian, and they didn’t go to the full warhead headdress and things. It was never intended to be offensive. I think that sometimes, we’re a little too touchy in our society these days.”

 

[Caliskinsfan]

This is exactly why I think the name should be changed. It's an insult term, and something which doesn't match the values in a sports environment. Denying that "Redskin" is an insult, is denying reality.

Really? Not everyone agrees with you. In fact, a lot, don't. And if you expand that to a world view, not just a US view, they overwhelmingly don't. When you say Washington Redskins, first thought is a football team, not a racial slur. Until the PC police that is...

Tell me, Are you the type to call "man" holes, "people" holes in your pursuit of PC ness? Just curious?

 

[Caliskinsfan]

I grew up right off the Muckleshoot reservation. I saw a lot of derogatory words thrown at them. I sure as fuck wouldn't go around there calling them Redskin, unless you're looking for a fight.

Curious Sonny, was the term 'redskin' actually being used? Or was it more an emphasis on the adjective preceding the word? Like a 'dirty injun/redskin', people were tossing about as insults? The focus being on the adjective, tone and intent of 'dirty' as the insult, not using the pejorative Indian/Redskin.

It would make a difference.

Context and intent always does, no matter what the word.

 

[SonnyCID]

Curious Sonny, was the term 'redskin' actually being used? Or was it more an emphasis on the adjective preceding the word? Like a 'dirty injun/redskin', people were tossing about as insults? The focus being on the adjective, tone and intent of 'dirty' as the insult, not using the pejorative Indian/Redskin.

It would make a difference.

Context and intent always does, no matter what the word.

I just knew it was a no-no. And like the use of any racial term, 99% was under people's breath. So my understanding about their feelings to the word was more in a general sense than from reactions to people saying it.

Feel free to go reservations and walk around calling people Redskins. I wouldn't do it, I wouldn't recommend anyone else do it either. But if you do, take a camera with you. You may end up with a lot of smiles and pats on the back, or you could end up with a broken face.

Really though, its an old fashioned word that many don't care about generally. But if used personally, its condescending and insulting. If you went around trying to use it as some term of endearment most natives will find you quite audacious and irritating, at the very least.

 

[WNY_FOOTBALL_DUDE]

Really? Not everyone agrees with you. In fact, a lot, don't. And if you expand that to a world view, not just a US view, they overwhelmingly don't. When you say Washington Redskins, first thought is a football team, not a racial slur. Until the PC police that is...

Tell me, Are you the type to call "man" holes, "people" holes in your pursuit of PC ness? Just curious?

Redskin - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
American Heritage Dictionary Entry: redskin
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The term Redskins used to be a compliment, but now it is widely considered an insult toward the Native American culture.

You obviously didn't read my original post. I plainly stated that I don't think the Synder or anybody else within the Redskins organization, intended the name to offend others. My point here is that the name is considered by many as an offensive term. That's a fact. You cannot deny reality. People ARE offended by the term Redskins.

When you say the PC police, who exactly are you referring to? More over, are you implying that it's ok to say the N-word to black people, the fgg-word to homosexuals, and retard to mentally disabled Americans? Is that what you're telling me? Would you feel comfortable going into a Native American bar and calling the bartender a redskin over and over again?

 

[HaroldSeattle]

I grew up right off the Muckleshoot reservation. I saw a lot of derogatory words thrown at them. I sure as fuck wouldn't go around there calling them Redskin, unless you're looking for a fight.

Referring to them by their race in any form would not be a good idea IMO.

 

[David_son]

And yet you started ANOTHER thread about this tired, liberally driven drivel. Just stop already.

No I started a thread asking about changing the Mascot not the name also it was kinda topical since at the time was the next day after the anti redskin ad during the NBA finals.

 

[MHSL82]

Tell me, Are you the type to call "man" holes, "people" holes in your pursuit of PC ness? Just curious?

And if a feminist, do you call menus, "women us"?

 

[Caliskinsfan]

And if a feminist, do you call menus, "women us"?

Please. Give me a break. I HOPE you were trying to make a joke. And that the 'lame ' is referring to your own lame attempt at one.

I'm referring to individuals who are so concerned about PC BS, that they go out of their way to be PC about everything to the point of ridiculousness.


The above example has absolutely nothing to do with a feminist agenda.

It cites a TRUE absurdity from our own history for changing the terminology of tons of words.

Stewardess to Flight Attendent
Policeman to police officer
Ad nauseum.
Where does the BS end?

Idiots tried to get females to give a shit about what things were to be called. Manholes was one of the stupider ideas, some idiots thought women should be upset about about the fact that that word lacked inclusivity.

I scoffed then at the PC agenda and I continue to do so today.

I do however follow the Golden Rule, and interact and speak to others the way I want to be treated.

Seems you have the agenda MHSL, pigeon holing women with the feminist label. I'd look to your own behavior and attitudes, before making any grand assumptions as to how I think.

 

[SonnyCID]

Referring to them by their race in any form would not be a good idea IMO.

That's true.