Reds Thread

[kramer1]

They need to start over.... I'd much rather watch (or not watch) young talent than have to deal with another season like last..... Bunch of overpaid vets on this team that won't win dick.

Jocketty is not a fire sale/rebuild gm. He's actually the worst guy for that job.

We're fucked.

 

[cincygrad]

Jocketty is not a fire sale/rebuild gm. He's actually the worst guy for that job.

We're fucked.

So we're stuck watching the same limp dick squad for the next two seasons and then we watch as our one asset (pitchers) all leave in free agency with nothing to show for it?

Well then..... At least we have Joey Votto.

Who-Dey!

 

[cincygrad]

And Brandon Phillips!

 

[bengaldoug]

Jocketty is not a fire sale/rebuild gm. He's actually the worst guy for that job.

We're fucked.

We are Cincinnati sports fans. Of course we're fucked.

 

[Be Weary of Query]

Simon traded to the Tigers.

Latos to the Marlins.

Reds rebuild with 2 former first round picks from Detroit and a MLB ready pitcher from the Marlins. They had to do something and could have done worse. Really like the return on Simon, didn't think he would bring much.

Mat Latos trade, Alfredo Simon trade: Reds starting pitchers Mat Latos, Alfredo Simon traded to Marlins, Tigers - Story

 

[cincygrad]

I'm okay with these moves. I thought Simon maxed out last year. Latos was never re-signing here and he wasn't going to take us anywhere this year.

As long as Votto is here with his huge deal most of these moves are going to be like rearranging chairs on the titanic..... But at least they're trying.

 

[bengaldoug]

I'm okay with these moves. I thought Simon maxed out last year. Latos was never re-signing here and he wasn't going to take us anywhere this year.

As long as Votto is here with his huge deal most of these moves are going to be like rearranging chairs on the titanic..... But at least they're trying.

I'm okay with the idea, but if we're unloading 40% of our rotation, shouldn't we at least have gotten a legitimate left fielder in return?

 

[cincygrad]

I'm okay with the idea, but if we're unloading 40% of our rotation, shouldn't we at least have gotten a legitimate left fielder in return?

For what? It's not like a left fielder is getting us over the hump this year.

I think you just collect prospects -- No matter where they play. Just get the best value.

 

[bengaldoug]

For what? It's not like a left fielder is getting us over the hump this year.

I think you just collect prospects -- No matter where they play. Just get the best value.

Prospects, okay. I'm not sure you would call the guys we got prospects, especially in the Latos deal. The pitcher was on the big league roster last year to the tune of a 6+ ERA. The catcher is blocked. For this we gave up a legit #2 starter? I think we did better on the deal for Simon, maybe a big league ready shortstop and a power pitcher with a live arm who just needs experience. I think we could have done better by holding on until the trade deadline. The All Star game is coming to Cincy this year and we're going to be in last place.


I wish I was born in Boston..........................

 

[cincygrad]

Prospects, okay. I'm not sure you would call the guys we got prospects, especially in the Latos deal. The pitcher was on the big league roster last year to the tune of a 6+ ERA. The catcher is blocked. For this we gave up a legit #2 starter? I think we did better on the deal for Simon, maybe a big league ready shortstop and a power pitcher with a live arm who just needs experience. I think we could have done better by holding on until the trade deadline. The All Star game is coming to Cincy this year and we're going to be in last place.

Latos would be on the DL by the all star game. He's damaged goods and he won't last long in the league. You're not getting much for that.

Why does it matter that the AS game is here? Fan interest will be the same whether we're in first or last....Cincinnati is a bandwagon town with their teams, but they always sell out big 'events.'

 

[bengaldoug]

They should keep all the pitchers and just give Votto away. He's the reason we're in this mess, and we're stuck with him for what, nine more years?


Of course, at this point nobody would take him off our hands.

 

[cincygrad]

They should keep all the pitchers and just give Votto away. He's the reason we're in this mess, and we're stuck with him for what, nine more years?


Of course, at this point nobody would take him off our hands.

Couldn't agree more....

There isn't anyone that wants him though -- He's ours for good.

 

[BKBroiler9000]

I like what the Reds have done this far. Unloading pitchers we'll never be able to resign for young guys. Time to build up the farm again and suck(more so than usual) for a few years. There's no point in discussing Votto, he is here for life. He's the only guy we wouldn't be able to move. Just like Pujols in LA, and A-Rod has been for years in NY.

Honestly, if the idea is to start over and suck for draft picks, wouldn't keeping Votto in the lineup help in that regard? He's basically a strikeout waiting to happen anyway.

 

[cincygrad]

I like what the Reds have done this far. Unloading pitchers we'll never be able to resign for young guys. Time to build up the farm again and suck(more so than usual) for a few years. There's no point in discussing Votto, he is here for life. He's the only guy we wouldn't be able to move. Just like Pujols in LA, and A-Rod has been for years in NY.

Honestly, if the idea is to start over and suck for draft picks, wouldn't keeping Votto in the lineup help in that regard? He's basically a strikeout waiting to happen anyway.

Maybe he can get hot for a half a year and some team like the Mets will want to overspend on him.

Pipe dream I know, but I really wish we could move on.

 

[Cincyfan78]

The trades were good. They got higly rated guys in return for guys they would have never been able to re-sign. The only thing I would have done is to try and trade those guys last July and you probably could have gotten even more.

The Reds have a ton of arms through this trade, plus their system. They have 3 or 4 guys highly rated, Stephenson, Howard add that to the guys they just got plus Iglesias...the rotation now, and in the next few years, still seems pretty bright.

Don't rule out Leake/Cueto still getting traded at some point, too. Or Chapman for that matter.

Health will, of course, be the key because of all the money the have wrapped up in just a few players (Votto, Bruce, Phillips).

 

[kramer1]

5th place here we come!

 

[Tubbs1518]

So right now this is about what I expect this team to look like without anymore moves.

Rotation:

1. Cueto
2. Bailey
3. Leake
4. Cingrani
5. DeScianfani or Corcino

Lineup:

CF: Hamilton
2B: Phillips
1B: Votto
3B: Frazier
RF: Bruce
C: Mesoraco
LF: Rodriguez
SS: Suarez

Does that look like a championship team to anyone?

 

[cincygrad]

 

[bengaldoug]

Reds win first preseason game 10-0. Should we ice down the champagne? Of note, only one starter was absent from the lineup. Joey Votto. He's looking great, though.............

 

[cincygrad]

He had a 2-week knee injury three years ago..... I'd say he's right on schedule