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Re-ranking the 2016 recruiting classes.

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This isn't necessarily about Harbaugh but the expectations. No matter who the coach is they're going to struggle against OSU until we can match their recruiting. I even think Harbaugh might get a win sooner or later. I don't think that changes anything unless recruiting gains come with it.
Or maybe if he prepared the team better, like James Franklin does. Why haven't you commented on the fact that the culture there is so cowardly when it comes to OSU, according to Devin Bush?
 

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Or maybe if he prepared the team better, like James Franklin does. Why haven't you commented on the fact that the culture there is so cowardly when it comes to OSU, according to Devin Bush?
You keep bringing up Penn State. Penn State is 2-3 vs. Harbaugh under Franklin. Franklin is 1-5 vs. Ohio State. Franklin is 2-4 against Michigan State. So no, I do not wish Harbaugh prepped like Franklin and Penn State because a few of the losses to OSU have been closer. That's a dumb argument.
 

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You keep bringing up Penn State. Penn State is 2-3 vs. Harbaugh under Franklin. Franklin is 1-5 vs. Ohio State. Franklin is 2-4 against Michigan State. So no, I do not wish Harbaugh prepped like Franklin and Penn State because a few of the losses to OSU have been closer. That's a dumb argument.
1-5 vs OSU and easily could be 3-3. Significantly better than Harbaugh can say.

Still not going to comment on Devin Bush's comments?
 

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1-5 vs OSU and easily could be 3-3. Significantly better than Harbaugh can say.

Still not going to comment on Devin Bush's comments?

Franklin is one blocked FG away from being Charlie Weis.
 

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1-5 vs OSU and easily could be 3-3. Significantly better than Harbaugh can say.

Still not going to comment on Devin Bush's comments?
I would like it if they spoke publicly about treating OSU differently. I have no idea what goes on behind closed doors.
 

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Franklin is one blocked FG away from being Charlie Weis.
James Franklin has 3 top 10 finishes in the last 4 years (top 20 in the other year). Charlie Weiss had 2 seasons finishing ranked in the top 25 period. This is a very bad comparison.
 

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I would like it if they spoke publicly about treating OSU differently. I have no idea what goes on behind closed doors.
So, you wish your coach actually coached them up instead of leaving the players basically feeling helpless going into the OSU game.
 

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So, you wish your coach actually coached them up instead of leaving the players basically feeling helpless going into the OSU game.
I'm not saying that. Again I don't know specifically what is done or isn't done. But I do know that they very rarely publicly talk about the importance of the game. And if that translates to what happens behind closed doors as well, well then that sucks. I would like to see some public fire from Harbaugh about the desire to beat them; ala like his post game comments after 2016.
 

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I'm not saying that. Again I don't know specifically what is done or isn't done. But I do know that they very rarely publicly talk about the importance of the game. And if that translates to what happens behind closed doors as well, well then that sucks. I would like to see some public fire from Harbaugh about the desire to beat them; ala like his post game comments after 2016.
So you're calling Devin Bush a liar?
 

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James Franklin has 3 top 10 finishes in the last 4 years (top 20 in the other year). Charlie Weiss had 2 seasons finishing ranked in the top 25 period. This is a very bad comparison.

Lol. You're pumping up Franklin for all these what ifs. Essentially Weis against SC that one year.
 

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Lol. You're pumping up Franklin for all these what ifs. Essentially Weis against SC that one year.
These are not what-ifs. These are undeniable facts. James Franklin is 56-23 in 7 years at Penn State with 3 top-10 finishes and another top-20 finish, and that was coming off of NCAA sanctions from the previous regime. Charlie Weis was 35-27 at ND and finished ranked two times.

This is an absolutely horrible comparison.
 

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So you're calling Devin Bush a liar?
I think you're extrapolating too much on his comments. And I think that mentality comes from 15 years of getting our asses handed to us and not so much on a particular coaching staff or their inability to motivate.
 

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These are not what-ifs. These are undeniable facts. James Franklin is 56-23 in 7 years at Penn State with 3 top-10 finishes and another top-20 finish, and that was coming off of NCAA sanctions from the previous regime. Charlie Weis was 35-27 at ND and finished ranked two times.

This is an absolutely horrible comparison.
In 5 years, Michigan has 1 top 10 finish, 2 top 15 finishes and 1 top 20 finish. I'm not sure Franklin's stats are all that much different. The swing was really 2016 where PSU got past OSU and Michigan didn't (though they should have). Again, Franklin has a losing record vs every major program in his division.
 

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I think you're extrapolating too much on his comments. And I think that mentality comes from 15 years of getting our asses handed to us and not so much on a particular coaching staff or their inability to motivate.
His exact words were "Obviously I was there, but I just felt like we need the right mentality. We need to walk into that game and not be like, ‘OK, I hope Ohio State don’t show up today.’

That mentality comes from the coaches. That not just "hoping Ohio State don't show up today" comes from coaches. I'm not extrapolating a thing. I'm taking him for his exact words. I truly don't know how you can support a coach when these are comments from one of your best players of the last decade.
 

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In 5 years, Michigan has 1 top 10 finish, 2 top 15 finishes and 1 top 20 finish. I'm not sure Franklin's stats are all that much different. The swing was really 2016 where PSU got past OSU and Michigan didn't (though they should have). Again, Franklin has a losing record vs every major program in his division.
Franklin has won the division and won the conference, and is .500 in bowl games. He lost to Harbaugh the first two years when Harbaugh still had Hoke's players, but has taken two of the last three since Harbaugh's recruits have started to take over.

The decline is evident now that Harbaugh's recruits are fully making up the team. Since 2016 (his best year), he's:
0-3 against OSU
1-2 against PSU
1-2 against Wisconsin
0-3 in bowl games
3-14 overall against top 25 teams.

Thankfully for him Sparty has fallen off a cliff.
 

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These are not what-ifs. These are undeniable facts. James Franklin is 56-23 in 7 years at Penn State with 3 top-10 finishes and another top-20 finish, and that was coming off of NCAA sanctions from the previous regime. Charlie Weis was 35-27 at ND and finished ranked two times.

This is an absolutely horrible comparison.

You are giving Franklin the Charlie Weis treatment. Who cares about losing close? A loss is a loss.
 

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Franklin has won the division and won the conference, and is .500 in bowl games. He lost to Harbaugh the first two years when Harbaugh still had Hoke's players, but has taken two of the last three since Harbaugh's recruits have started to take over.

The decline is evident now that Harbaugh's recruits are fully making up the team. Since 2016 (his best year), he's:
0-3 against OSU
1-2 against PSU
1-2 against Wisconsin
0-3 in bowl games
3-14 overall against top 25 teams.

Thankfully for him Sparty has fallen off a cliff.

mNb09 will stop at nothing to make his team seem better than they really are. Hell he still insists that JH is one of the elite coaches in the country. And his over the top homerism will never stop. He was even bragging yesterday that JH is undefeated against Minnesota & Fleck. He said that in the Harbaugh's contract ends in 2021 thread, comment # 19. Minnesota has played meeeechegan once in the 3 years since Fleck got there. In '17, his first year.
 

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Franklin has won the division and won the conference, and is .500 in bowl games. He lost to Harbaugh the first two years when Harbaugh still had Hoke's players, but has taken two of the last three since Harbaugh's recruits have started to take over.

The decline is evident now that Harbaugh's recruits are fully making up the team. Since 2016 (his best year), he's:
0-3 against OSU
1-2 against PSU
1-2 against Wisconsin
0-3 in bowl games
3-14 overall against top 25 teams.

Thankfully for him Sparty has fallen off a cliff.
You keep adding qualifiers, like somehow Harbaugh's first two years don't count now.
 
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