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[redskinsfan1963]

the giants should have signed barkley before jones

 

[shopson67]

Absolutely worth it. This kid is a fast rising star.

For that amount, I would want him to already be a star. That's what they're betting on (and it's not a bad bet).

 

[shopson67]

Games played are including basically every game of his rookie season except for 4 where he was only used for 1-3 gadget plays per game starting week 2 until Wentz finally got benched in the Green Bay game towards the end of the season and Hurts took over for the final 5 games.

It's not really a debate anyway. Clearly, Burrow is the better passer. Hurts brings the extra bonus of rushing ability. Whether that is needed for any given team depends on their RB usage and success and the level of risk you are comfortable with regarding your QB's health and longevity. Philly has made great use of Hurts' rushing to date.

 

[shopson67]

the giants should have signed barkley before jones

There would've been competition for Jones. The only competition for Barkley is Saquan's demands himself. They did it correctly IMO, and drafted a viable stand-in in Gray if need be.

 

[fightinfunbags]

There would've been competition for Jones. The only competition for Barkley is Saquan's demands himself. They did it correctly IMO, and drafted a viable stand-in in Gray if need be.

Saquon is irreplaceable for them right now because the Giants lack playmakers. Without him on the field, their skill position players are a TE on the back end in Waller and a bunch of meh at WR.

 

[shopson67]

Saquon is irreplaceable for them right now because the Giants lack playmakers. Without him on the field, their skill position players are a TE on the back end in Waller and a bunch of meh at WR.

Saquon has only been that guy for 2 full seasons, his rookie season and last year. Recency bias is there, but how much do you pay for an oft-injured back with high level upside?

Gray had a monster year for Oklahoma last season, not dissimilar to Saquon's 2022 (obviously a big difference in competition) and can also be a receiver out of the backfield, similar to Barkley. Different running styles of course, and Barkley is the more explosive runner.

 

[RememberTheKoy]

It's not really a debate anyway. Clearly, Burrow is the better passer. Hurts brings the extra bonus of rushing ability. Whether that is needed for any given team depends on their RB usage and success and the level of risk you are comfortable with regarding your QB's health and longevity. Philly has made great use of Hurts' rushing to date.

Joe Burrow has had much more serious injuries and gotten beat to shit much worse than Hurts has.

 

[PDay8810]

Joe Burrow has had much more serious injuries and gotten beat to shit much worse than Hurts has.

For ever and ever.
Amen

 

[shopson67]

Joe Burrow has had much more serious injuries and gotten beat to shit much worse than Hurts has.

Not because of running, because of offensive line play. Hurts' running will expose him to more injuries than if he remained a pocket QB, given his team's offensive line.

 

[RememberTheKoy]

Not because of running, because of offensive line play. Hurts' running will expose him to more injuries than if he remained a pocket QB, given his team's offensive line.

That's imply not true

 

[PDay8810]

So there

 

[shopson67]

That's imply not true

What isn't true? Hurts running the ball and exposing himself to big hits is riskier than being a pocket passer behind his talented line and getting the ball away in a timely manner. That's absolutely true.

 

[RememberTheKoy]

What isn't true? Hurts running the ball and exposing himself to big hits is riskier than being a pocket passer behind his talented line and getting the ball away in a timely manner. That's absolutely true.

No added risk. You're just as likely to grt injured in pocket as you are if you are running and getting out of bounds/down.

 

[fightinfunbags]

What isn't true? Hurts running the ball and exposing himself to big hits is riskier than being a pocket passer behind his talented line and getting the ball away in a timely manner. That's absolutely true.

Actually, most QB injuries occur in the pocket vs outside of the pocket. This is especially true over time with rule changes that protect the QB like intentional grounding, giving themselves up, and running out of bounds.

 

[shopson67]

Actually, most QB injuries occur in the pocket vs outside of the pocket. This is especially true over time with rule changes that protect the QB like intentional grounding, giving themselves up, and running out of bounds.

You missed part of my statement. Philly's line and getting the ball away on schedule

 

[fightinfunbags]

You missed part of my statement. Philly's line and getting the ball away on schedule

All this puts forth is further reduction of the chance of injury. This old adage about running QBs is just flawed. The tell tale sign is processing. QBs get hurt when they hold the ball too long. That is a more indicative variable than taking off and running.

 

[shopson67]

All this puts forth is further reduction of the chance of injury. This old adage about running QBs is just flawed. The tell tale sign is processing. QBs get hurt when they hold the ball too long. That is a more indicative variable than taking off and running.

Only if the QB is smart enough to get down or OOB

 

[fightinfunbags]

Only if the QB is smart enough to get down or OOB

Exactly. That’s processing and decision making. For instance, Lamar Jackson lags in this metric and that’s why he is constantly missing games.

 

[shopson67]

Exactly. That’s processing and decision making. For instance, Lamar Jackson lags in this metric and that’s why he is constantly missing games.

His injuries have been due to holding the ball too long.

 

[fightinfunbags]

His injuries have been due to holding the ball too long.

Isn’t that what I said?