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The market has been set and they don’t want to pay him. They’re handcuffing where he can go by holding this process out so long. He’s going to have to risk injury on the last year of his deal. Shitty situation for a player to be in.
I don't look at that way. He's still has a year on his contract so both sides have time to bargain for a extension or to play out the contract and then he's a free agent. About the injury risk, Earl Thomas was in this situation, final year of his contract, got a season ending injury. He got his salary (huge money by the way) rehab on the Seahawks dime and then signed a big contract. So he got paid and all the Seahawks got was the bill. Injuries suck for organization because they don't get the players services but got to pay him, pay for the medical bills, pay for rehab.
 

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I don't look at that way. He's still has a year on his contract so both sides have time to bargain for an extension or to play out the contract and then he's a free agent. About the injury risk, Earl Thomas was in this situation, final year of his contract, got a season ending injury. He got his salary (huge money by the way) rehab on the Seahawks dime and then signed a big contract. So he got paid and all the Seahawks got was the bill. Injuries suck for organization because they don't get the players services but got to pay him, pay for the medical bills, pay for rehab.
He doesn’t have a year left on his contract. He signed a 4 year contract. NFL rules are rigged against the player. If Ayuik was a bust, he doesn’t see that fifth year. But he’s not a bust so he gets to work for half of his market value. When we are talking guys who play for 8-10 years, one season is 1/10 of his career.
 

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He doesn’t have a year left on his contract. He signed a 4 year contract. NFL rules are rigged against the player. If Ayuik was a bust, he doesn’t see that fifth year. But he’s not a bust so he gets to work for half of his market value. When we are talking guys who play for 8-10 years, one season is 1/10 of his career.
He got 20 million guaranteed when he signed that contract and he was getting that no matter if he sucked or not.
 
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$12.53M/4 years fully guaranteed.
How many rookies end up being bust but still rake in millions in guaranteed dollars? A lot more busts then stars but they still make a ton of money. The 5th year option balances this out a bit for teams but on the whole players signing those rookie contracts are coming out ahead. Stars get too big a chunk of the pie as is and it comes at the expense of their middle tier teammates.
 

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How many rookies end up being bust but still rake in millions in guaranteed dollars? A lot more busts then stars but they still make a ton of money. The 5th year option balances this out a bit for teams but on the whole players signing those rookie contracts are coming out ahead. Stars get too big a chunk of the pie as is and it comes at the expense of their middle tier teammates.
Rookie contracts aren't doing young players any favours. When players could negotiate rookie contracts they earned more than they do now under the fixed contracts of the CBA. The players would earn even more if they were free agents coming out of college. 5th year options and then tagging players in year 6 is effectively underpaying them for longer. Rookie pay is increasing at a lower percentage than the growth in the salary cap. It's been that way since the 2010 CBA. The middle tier teammates are also being screwed because they're competing for roster spots against players on artificially low rookie contracts. That pushes their money down. The extra/excess salary cap money goes to the stars because there's nowhere else for it to go.
 

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Rookie contracts aren't doing young players any favours. When players could negotiate rookie contracts they earned more than they do now under the fixed contracts of the CBA.
Matthew Stafford.

as I recall...the vets weren't having it any longer. still seems like the right thing to do.
 

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Matthew Stafford.

as I recall...the vets weren't having it any longer. still seems like the right thing to do.
I'm not sure what you're saying.

Edit: If you're saying rookie contract reform was needed in the 2010 CBA then I agree, but it was only the 1st round picks, or maybe just the top 20 that needed adjustment.
 

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Matthew Stafford.

as I recall...the vets weren't having it any longer. still seems like the right thing to do.
He’ll be the highest paid player ever, if he goes one season longer than Rodgers.


He was born at the right time.

So was Matt Ryan.

Crazy to think back on how much different cap issues were then. And how positions were valued differently during the draft, thanks to those massive rookie deals.
 

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Got crazy money on his rookie deal.
I'm not going to try and argue that the rookie salaries of Stafford and Bradford were good for the NFL, (they weren't), but if you sign rookies to 6 year deal then the system is broken before you start. $72M for 6 years was too high. Assuming Stafford would have been worth more each season during that rookie 6 year stint then he'd have been paid less than the $12M average for his 1st year. For context the QB franchise tag value was $14.65M. If Stafford had gotten $10.5M as a 2009 rookie it wouldn't have been a massive over-payment. The 2010 CBA rookie contract system was an over-correction and it is continuing to over-correct through 2024.
 

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I'm not going to try and argue that the rookie salaries of Stafford and Bradford were good for the NFL, (they weren't), but if you sign rookies to 6 year deal then the system is broken before you start. $72M for 6 years was too high. Assuming Stafford would have been worth more each season during that rookie 6 year stint then he'd have been paid less than the $12M average for his 1st year. For context the QB franchise tag value was $14.65M. If Stafford had gotten $10.5M as a 2009 rookie it wouldn't have been a massive over-payment. The 2010 CBA rookie contract system was an over-correction and it is continuing to over-correct through 2024.
It was awful for the Lions.

Nailed their first rounders, couldn’t afford to re sign em all. Or even tag em.

I’m not familiar with the rates per slot/position exactly. But it seems as if rookies become more of a bargain across the board as time goes. Maybe it adjusts accordingly with the overall cap. But it doesn’t feel that way.

Running backs really seem to be affected the most. You have to be truly great to see the bag.
 

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It was awful for the Lions.

Nailed their first rounders, couldn’t afford to re sign em all. Or even tag em.

I’m not familiar with the rates per slot/position exactly. But it seems as if rookies become more of a bargain across the board as time goes. Maybe it adjusts accordingly with the overall cap. But it doesn’t feel that way.

Running backs really seem to be affected the most. You have to be truly great to see the bag.
Stafford's contract wasn't the problem. Calvin Johnson and Ndamukong Suh were the problem. Suh, the #2 pick of 2010, signed a 5 year deal with a base of $60M and a maximum of $68M. Suh's contract averaged $12M. In line with my previous thread post i'd say Suh was effectively getting below his contract average at $10M as a rookie. However, the 2010 franchise tag value for DT was $7M. Teams couldn't afford to pay for multiple top 5 pick rookies year after year. As a business you certainly can't pay a rookie 142% of the franchise tag in his cheapest year.
 

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Stafford's contract wasn't the problem. Calvin Johnson and Ndamukong Suh were the problem. Suh, the #2 pick of 2010, signed a 5 year deal with a base of $60M and a maximum of $68M. Suh's contract averaged $12M. In line with my previous thread post i'd say Suh was effectively getting below his contract average at $10M as a rookie. However, the 2010 franchise tag value for DT was $7M. Teams couldn't afford to pay for multiple top 5 pick rookies year after year. As a business you certainly can't pay a rookie 142% of the franchise tag in his cheapest year.
Stafford’s contract definitely was the problem.

Suh was a 3 time all pro who walked.

Stafford was an oft injured mediocre QB with a big arm. It’s a good thing they made up for it by trading him. Or he’d be one of the worst things to ever happen to the franchise. Because of how expensive he was.
 

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Tag value was like 20% on top of what your were already making, if I remember correctly.

They couldn’t even offer their best player a contract.
 

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Matthew Stafford.

as I recall...the vets weren't having it any longer. still seems like the right thing to do.

He was at least good. How about Sam Bradford? He was the last #1 QB before the rookie scale was put in place.
 

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Tag value was like 20% on top of what your were already making, if I remember correctly.

They couldn’t even offer their best player a contract.
The Lions couldn't tag Suh because they restructured his contract every year to delay cap hits. From memory his final season cap hit was almost double the DT franchise tag figure although his real salary was something around the tag figure. By NFL rules the tag amount is the official tag value or 120% of the individual cap figure. Tagging Suh would have cost more than twice the DT tag value. The Dolphins made Suh a better offer than the Lions did.
 
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