Random FF Thoughts

[TREFF]

What are the views on here on Zamir White and Eno Robinson? I understand both are #2 on their teams. White had a pretty good pre-season. I have Hubbard as a bench guy. I think if something happens to Jacobs, White becomes valuable, as would Hubbard if something happens to McCaffrey. Can't depend on injuries, I know.

Eno, in real NFL action, hasn't shown me much if Conner were to go down.
Now, Zuess, obviously hasn't had a chance to show anything in a real game, so we have to just speculate based off college stuff, preseason stuff, and what we've heard. And all signs indicate that yes Zuess is likely the direct #2. However, his college film, his draft position, and preseason production all suggest the he won't be very productive if thrust into that role. IMHO, everyone would get a REAL taste of a true Josh McD committee if Jacobs goes down

Honestly, both are situations to avoid, for me, if the starter goes down

I like White more than Eno. I have heard Eno has taken the backup job from Darrel Williams, but I don't know how much I buy that. I could also see the two of them in a committee if Conner goes down. The Raiders declined Jacobs' option and dumped Drake and it could mean that white will get a chance to take over the lead back role at some point. Treff will disagree, but I think there is something there. And in this situation, I go White

Yep I sure do . But that's why we're here right?

All that 5th year declination indicates to me is that they will either sign him at a cheaper salary than the 5th year option in a 1st round pick would be, or, they'll simply run him into the ground knowing he's not in the plans.

Given where White was drafted, what he's shown thus far, I think it'd a real sketchy stretch to assume he's taking anything over anytime soon. Maybe something clicks, but as it sits right now, White is is in over his head in the NFL, and that was primarily against 2nd and 3rd team defenses

 

[Yellow Fuzzies]

I took a flyer on Eno in my auction draft. Hope it does not come to that.

 

[SmokingMonkey]

McCaffery cuff is Foreman I would assume.
A Conner injury likely creates a committee.

White looks like a good stash

@BrockForBroglio - i agree with this sentiment, Foreman and Z White over Hubbard if you have the option to make changes, and I'd rather have Darrel Williams over Eno but like others have said, that's prob a situation to avoid unless you have deep benches and wouldn't need to start either immediately should Conner go down

 

[Barilko]

in response to the draft talk a page or 2 back

mine goes like this

(Keeper Type A)

any player drafted between rounds 3 and 17 can be kept and the following season you give up the draft pick that the player was chosen in

of this type keeper you may elect not to keep any or you can keep 1 or 2 and no more than 2

if any of the above type keepers are kept in multiple years than they move up to being what we call

(Keeper Type B) multi/or full keepers

so these multi keepers join the group of potential keepers that were drafted in rounds 1 or 2 that are immediately tagged as multi/full keepers

all teams must chose 2 keepers that fall into this (Type B)

these 2 Type B keepers are placed on your roster and do not cost a draft pick

so in summation each team had they not traded away any players will be choosing 2 full keepers
from their roster where most likely 6 fall into this type b category and thus throw back 4 solid players into the yearly draft


thus each year every team will start with 2 Type B Keepers on their roster with no pick removed in the draft

and the possibility of 0,1 or 2 Type A Keepers costing a draft pick but
not a draft pick from rounds 1 or 2 which for us never leaves in doubt who is drafting where or when in the first two rounds

it took us many years of experimenting to arrive where we are now

various keeper rules changes over the years all voted on with each and every change

 

[Barilko]

as for Hubbard i feel that only the McCaf owner may really want /need? him

Spoiler

hint hint

and only with deep rosters

I as well feel White etc are certainly the better stashes

 

[TKOSpikes]

@BrockForBroglio - i agree with this sentiment, Foreman and Z White over Hubbard if you have the option to make changes, and I'd rather have Darrel Williams over Eno but like others have said, that's prob a situation to avoid unless you have deep benches and wouldn't need to start either immediately should Conner go down

I jumped the gun on Keyonta Ingram. Traded for him/drafted him before Williams signed. Likely because I thought of Eno as an afterthought.

 

[BrockForBroglio]

@BrockForBroglio - i agree with this sentiment, Foreman and Z White over Hubbard if you have the option to make changes, and I'd rather have Darrel Williams over Eno but like others have said, that's prob a situation to avoid unless you have deep benches and wouldn't need to start either immediately should Conner go dow

@BrockForBroglio - i agree with this sentiment, Foreman and Z White over Hubbard if you have the option to make changes, and I'd rather have Darrel Williams over Eno but like others have said, that's prob a situation to avoid unless you have deep benches and wouldn't need to start either immediately should Conner go down

I added White to my bench instead of the other guys. Thanks to all for your input.

 

[FaCe-LeE-uS]

 

[jarntt]

My random thought is people are sleeping on Michael Thomas in every single league I have seen...

 

[Shanemansj13]

My random thought is people are sleeping on Michael Thomas in every single league I have seen...

I get why the reason for concern but nobody is talking about how high ceiling could actually be

 

[TREFF]

I get why the reason for concern but nobody is talking about how high ceiling could actually be

that might be because no one has a clue. Last time Michael Thomas played, Drew Brees was the starting QB, and Winston's game isn't quite the precision timed, accurate passing and let the receiver do the work that Brees was towards the end. And Winston's most recent film isn't exactly impressive either.

There's truly no baseline to go off of to project any realistic ceiling, and a very real possibility of a zero as the floor

 

[jarntt]

that might be because no one has a clue. Last time Michael Thomas played, Drew Brees was the starting QB, and Winston's game isn't quite the precision timed, accurate passing and let the receiver do the work that Brees was towards the end. And Winston's most recent film isn't exactly impressive either.

There's truly no baseline to go off of to project any realistic ceiling, and a very real possibility of a zero as the floor

Sure, but I read somewhere he may be throwing for 30 TDs again this year...

 

[MilkSpiller22]

I get why the reason for concern but nobody is talking about how high ceiling could actually be

honestly, i dont get why anyone would think he has a high ceiling...

there is so much against him

1. New QB and not HOFer
2. he is an OLD 29
3. only played 9 games in the past 2 seasons
4. Saints want to be a run first offense
5. Saints have one of their better Receiving corps during Thomas tenure...
6. OLAVE TIME

 

[wilwhite]

My random thought is people are sleeping on Michael Thomas in every single league I have seen...

Pretty true.

 

[wilwhite]

honestly, i dont get why anyone would think he has a high ceiling...

there is so much against him

1. New QB and not HOFer
2. he is an OLD 29
3. only played 9 games in the past 2 seasons
4. Saints want to be a run first offense
5. Saints have one of their better Receiving corps during Thomas tenure...
6. OLAVE TIME

That's not how you define a ceiling. What if he's healthy and Olave is only good enough to be a #2?

 

[TREFF]

Sure, but I read somewhere he may be throwing for 30 TDs again this year...

and he will, a whopping 1.76 a game..doesn't exactly inspire confidence in a high ceiling on any given WR, especially one who hasn't played in over a year

 

[TREFF]

That's not how you define a ceiling. What if he's healthy and Olave is only good enough to be a #2?

first point- very true, definitely not arguing that
second point though..we could 'what if' the thing to death, bottom line is there are less 'what if's' on the Jacobs side, than there are on the Thomas side. The only what if's to reasonably worry about with Jacobs is, what if he gets injured, or if your REALLY skeptical, a second, what if the delusion of a potential McD committee is true?

 

[MilkSpiller22]

That's not how you define a ceiling. What if he's healthy and Olave is only good enough to be a #2?

You are right. That’s not how you define ceilings. Generally a veteran’s ceiling is their career best season. So by that yes. Thomas has a high ceiling.

But here’s the the thing how confident are you that he will even be close to his ceiling?? I just gave reasons for me to believe he will be closer to his floor than his ceiling.

 

[wilwhite]

first point- very true, definitely not arguing that
second point though..we could 'what if' the thing to death, bottom line is there are less 'what if's' on the Jacobs side, than there are on the Thomas side. The only what if's to reasonably worry about with Jacobs is, what if he gets injured, or if your REALLY skeptical, a second, what if the delusion of a potential McD committee is true?

Jacobs? Two conversations in one?

Winston sucks because he throws a lot of INTs. I myself don't think Thomas will be the focal point like he once was, which is why I let others worry about him. But a high ceiling, absolutely. Winston sucks because he throws INTs. His career Y/A is actually higher than Brees's.

 

[TREFF]

Jacobs? Two conversations in one?

Winston sucks because he throws a lot of INTs. I myself don't think Thomas will be the focal point like he once was, which is why I let others worry about him. But a high ceiling, absolutely. Winston sucks because he throws INTs. His career Y/A is actually higher than Brees's.

Wasn't the initial question, 'who to start, Thomas or Jacobs?'

And Thomas has really never been an 'air yards' type guy. Yes, he can, or at least used to have that in his bag of tricks, but primarily, he's the possession, volume based, 'get me the ball quick lemme run after the catch' type has he not? So Y/A being higher doesn't really move the needle for me. Does for Olave though.