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[shopson67]

7 super Bowl apperences in 16 years in the salary cap era is impressive. I'll go out on a limb and say it will never happen again.

Is it as impressive as 4 in 4 years?

 

[Vitamike]

Is it as impressive as 4 in 4 years?

No, because only one of those appearances occurred in the Cap era.

 

[27mtrcougar]

Is it as impressive as 4 in 4 years?

I guess you are referring to Buffalo. It's very impressive going to Four in a row. But 4 losses will never equal five wins. But Super Bowl losses in my opinion to count. it put Jim Kelly in the Hall of Fame.

 

[shopson67]

No, because only one of those appearances occurred in the Cap era.

The salary Cap was instituted for the 1994 season. Bills went to Super Bowls following the 90, 91, 92, and 93 seasons.

 

[Vitamike]

The salary Cap was instituted for the 1994 season. Bills went to Super Bowls following the 90, 91, 92, and 93 seasons.

Oh, that's right, 94' Super Bowl, 94' inaugural cap season.

Just makes his argument about the cap affects even more pronounced then.

I guess I should have sarcastically posted...

That was before the cap, so it's clearly not as impressive.

 

[shopson67]

Cap rules, schmap rules, lol. Everyone was working with the same rules, and Buffalo is a very small market.

 

[27mtrcougar]

Cap rules, schmap rules, lol. Everyone was working with the same rules, and Buffalo is a very small market.

But its not what the Pats have had to deal with now. Did the Steelers or 49ers have to deal with FA? Players drafted now are only guaranteed to be on your team for 4 years. Teams back then didn't have to worry or deal losing a guy to FA. Teams stayed together back then which is a Hugh advantage.

 

[shopson67]

But its not what the Pats have had to deal with now. Did the Steelers or 49ers have to deal with FA? Players drafted now are only guaranteed to be on your team for 4 years. Teams back then didn't have to worry or deal losing a guy to FA. Teams stayed together back then which is a Hugh advantage.

Now, small markets can supposedly compete easier as the big markets can't outspend them. That doesn't matter much if you don't have your QB and coach locked down. The Patriots have had to "deal with" having the same pro bowl QB and coach together for the past 17 years. That QB that has given up salary on multiple occasions to help the team retain other players. Such hardships they have endured! Yet, they were still caught cheating on multiple occasions.

 

[Retroram52]

But its not what the Pats have had to deal with now. Did the Steelers or 49ers have to deal with FA? Players drafted now are only guaranteed to be on your team for 4 years. Teams back then didn't have to worry or deal losing a guy to FA. Teams stayed together back then which is a Hugh advantage.

What in the hell are you reasoning this time Cougie? It seems when you get backed into a corner with direct evidence about any topic, you start grasping for things that really are not germane to the discussion. Vita and Shopson are correct. Everyone plays by the same rules and this statement is hairbrained at best: "Teams back then didn't have to worry or deal with losing a guy to FA."

How about all the teams who lost FA players or players who wanted their contracts re-negotiated because the owners would not play them before the cap era such as Vince Ferragamo. You don't think teams didn't worry about that? Geez dude. Again, sometimes I wonder what in the hell you are trying to piece together in these discussions.

 

[Vitamike]

Now, small markets can supposedly compete easier as the big markets can't outspend them. That doesn't matter much if you don't have your QB and coach locked down. The Patriots have had to "deal with" having the same future HOF QB and future HOF coach together for the past 17 years. That QB that has given up salary on multiple occasions to help the team retain other players. Such hardships they have endured! Yet, they were still caught cheating on multiple occasions.

Well said shopson, just had to fix one little detail for you because it's a huge difference in designation.

 

[27mtrcougar]

Now, small markets can supposedly compete easier as the big markets can't outspend them. That doesn't matter much if you don't have your QB and coach locked down. The Patriots have had to "deal with" having the same pro bowl QB and coach together for the past 17 years. That QB that has given up salary on multiple occasions to help the team retain other players. Such hardships they have endured! Yet, they were still caught cheating on multiple occasions.

Who cares they have been together for 17 years? You hold that against them? They have been together that long because they are the BEST. I think that's my point lol. And he has never given up money. He has renogociated his contract to help the cap but he just gets that money upfront As a massive signing bonus. He's getting paid.

 

[shopson67]

Who cares they have been together for 17 years? You hold that against them? They have been together that long because they are the BEST. I think that's my point lol. And he has never given up money. He has renegotiated his contract to help the cap but he just gets that money upfront As a massive signing bonus. He's getting paid.

LOL. His current contract is 2 years, $41M. His actual value is closer to 1 year, $41M. That isn't giving up money?

The point about the 17 years is that is a HUGE advantage for the Patriots and an extreme rarity. In that time frame, the Rams have had 8 head coaches (including interim) and have started 19 different QBs.

 

[Retroram52]

Looks like the conspiracy theorists contending that the Bellicheat and the cheating Patriots got away with another SB win. Pixs are being posted that White's knee was down BEFORE his head broke the goal line plane. The Atlanta D was on the field for 100 plays in the second half and Atlanta has to live with the FACT that they gave away the game with some really boneheaded playcalling by Shanahan. And so it goes.

The internet thinks Super Bowl 51 was fake news

 

[27mtrcougar]

LOL. His current contract is 2 years, $41M. His actual value is closer to 1 year, $41M. That isn't giving up money?

The point about the 17 years is that is a HUGE advantage for the Patriots and an extreme rarity. In that time frame, the Rams have had 8 head coaches (including interim) and have started 19 different QBs.

He made 29m in 2016? That's not bad. The patriots are just masters at working contracts. More than likely they will extend him next year and he'll get paid another 30 million next year. He's also made $200,000,000 over his career he's doing ok for a 6th rd pick.

 

[Battlelyon]

There is a report on Bleacher Report saying after Goff was named the starter he wanted to work with the WRs on some off days to get a familiarity with them. Not one WR took him up on the offer, that is Fisher's 4-12 bullshit players.

 

[shopson67]

There is a report on Bleacher Report saying after Goff was named the starter he wanted to work with the WRs on some off days to get a familiarity with them. Not one WR took him up on the offer, that is Fisher's 4-12 bullshit players.

Quick and Britt should be gone IMO. Austin has to be around for another year, so he has a brief window to prove himself worthy of that contract. The rest didn't get much run, so they probably weren't who Goff was referring to.

 

[shopson67]

Looks like the conspiracy theorists contending that the Bellicheat and the cheating Patriots got away with another SB win. Pixs are being posted that White's knee was down BEFORE his head broke the goal line plane. The Atlanta D was on the field for 100 plays in the second half and Atlanta has to live with the FACT that they gave away the game with some really boneheaded playcalling by Shanahan. And so it goes.

The internet thinks Super Bowl 51 was fake news

Apparently, those pix are actually from AFTER the ball had already broken the plane, but was then pulled back. Regardless, Atlanta's D was gassed and wouldn't have held the Patriots out on the next 2 attempts from the 1 inch line.

Reminds me a bit of another offensive coach refusing to run the ball in the second half and losing the Patriots, ugh.

 

[shopson67]

He made 29m in 2016? That's not bad. The patriots are just masters at working contracts. More than likely they will extend him next year and he'll get paid another 30 million next year. He's also made $200,000,000 over his career he's doing ok for a 6th rd pick.

If you're going to count signing bonus as his 2016 salary, then he's only making $1M in 2017. Seems a bit under market value, lol.

Tom Brady

June 2000: signed 3y/866K rookie contract
Aug 2002: signed 4y/30.145M extension
May 2005: signed 4y/42.8M contract
Sept 2010: signed 4y/72.5M extension
Mar 2012: restructured 2012 salary from 5.75M to 950K and converted his roster bonus to signing bonus
Feb 2013: signed a 3y/27M extension
Mar 2016: signed a 2y/$41M extension

 

[27mtrcougar]

If you're going to count signing bonus as his 2016 salary, then he's only making $1M in 2017. Seems a bit under market value, lol.

Tom Brady

June 2000: signed 3y/866K rookie contract
Aug 2002: signed 4y/30.145M extension
May 2005: signed 4y/42.8M contract
Sept 2010: signed 4y/72.5M extension
Mar 2012: restructured 2012 salary from 5.75M to 950K and converted his roster bonus to signing bonus
Feb 2013: signed a 3y/27M extension
Mar 2016: signed a 2y/$41M extension

Yes you count signing bonus lol it's in his bank account right? Like I said they will probably redo his contract next year.

 

[shopson67]

Yes you count signing bonus lol it's in his bank account right? Like I said they will probably redo his contract next year.

So, is he underpaid at $1M for 2017 then?