QB makes a difference

[Vitamike]

Yea Vita, we sure as hell may be running the most deep routes in the league but we ain't that good at it because I know our completion rate is pretty low. We can not have the offensive production we have been having especially in the first quarter and complete a great deal of our deep routes because any of the receivers do not have huge yardage chunks per game and for the year.

Sorry Retro, it took me much longer to post that screen shot than I anticipated because of the file size.

Unfortunately those stats I listed about our 3 Wide out taking a butt load of 5 yard routes are all legit.

We all really need to focus our negative attention on the true culprit here, Brian!!!!!

Again, sorry about that bud it was meant to be a quick joke and just didn't play out like I planned.

 

[jacobarch]

Hey jacobarch. I seriously doubt this board will become like the ESPNBoards just because two old friends are having an argument if I have anything to say about. You can rest assured that the SportsHoopla is the place to talk sports and your points are welcomed and well taken!

I hope not, because calling people names for having an opinion is a turn in the wrong direction.
Also thanks retro!

 

[Retroram52]

Your welcome jacobarch!

 

[Retroram52]

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[Vitamike]

Sorry But I have to call SJ76 out on this.

SJ, I've always respected your opinion until the last week or too. I think you need to take a step back, right now you're getting made a fool of. I'm sure you could give a shit but if you want to continue to be a respected member on this board you have to stop what you're doing. Vita is downright making you look idiotic, he's coming up with numbers, FACTS, it's making you look "trollish", and you aren't coming back with any facts. Just your opinion that everything is bradfords fault. I know this will probably just roll off your back and you'll tell me to f*ck off but in the chance that I can help save this board from turning into ESPNboards or STLboards I have to point out that you're sounding just like the guys of old who everyone dismisses. We know you don't like Bradford, we get it! We know that you think everything that goes wrong with this team is his fault, we get it. I don't need to go further as I will start to rant. Lets clean this up SJ.

First off thanks for the kind words on my part jacobarch! However let me make it clear, Junkie as we SeeBSer affectionately know him or SJ76 as we all know him here on the hoop is my bud!

I'll go to war with this dude by my side.

He is passionate and knows what he wants. SJ is not unlike the many Sam Bradford detractors here too! They all want better QB play (Hell so do the Sam supporters for that much!) especially for the $$ we are paying for his roster spot.

I get it, Junkie believes in his heart, if we didn't have such bad QB play, we would be a much better team. Hey and as they say....

The heart wants what the heart wants!

I stole that line from one of the last episodes of Breaking Bad!

Again, I know we are a mixed bunch here on the SportsHoopla but all us old SeeBS'er know each other very well and while it may not show amongst all the banter....

Y'all should know, SJ76 is my boy!

 

[Retroram52]

No worries Vita, no worries.

 

[Vitamike]

Vita please include a source for whoever is keep track of these 5 yard routes.

Okay Sports Junkie, I found the html too!

Fantasy Underground: Film Room - ESPN Video - ESPN

Yes this video is not flattering on Sam, but look at the comparison they make with Alex Smith (Winner). He has guys going deep and he does check down. They state here that it's the pressure and even perceived pressure causing the Rams to run short routes. This dude puts the blame on our QB, our OC, our OL and our WR's and that's what I've been saying all along.

 

[jacobarch]

First off thanks for the kind words on my part jacobarch! However let me make it clear, Junkie as we SeeBSer affectionately know him or SJ76 as we all know him here on the hoop is my bud!

I'll go to war with this dude by my side.

He is passionate and knows what he wants. SJ is not unlike the many Sam Bradford detractors here too! They all want better QB play (Hell so do the Sam supporters for that much!) especially for the $$ we are paying for his roster spot.

I get it, Junkie believes in his heart, if we didn't have such bad QB play, we would be a much better team. Hey and as they say....

The heart wants what the heart wants!

I stole that line from one of the last episodes of Breaking Bad!

Again, I know we are a mixed bunch here on the SportsHoopla but all us old SeeBS'er know each other very well and while it may not show amongst all the banter....

Y'all should know, SJ76 is my boy!

word brotha!

 

[SJ76]

Or Sam could have not throw it to the guy in the first place, noticed there was room to run right, then sacked up and gotten his team 5-10 yards.

Nah let's throw a bullet to a guys back shoulder when the LB is sitting there drooling. Lol


Genius!

 

[Vitamike]

Or Sam could have not throw it to the guy in the first place, noticed there was room to run right, then sacked up and gotten his team 5-10 yards.

Nah let's throw a bullet to a guys back shoulder when the LB is sitting there drooling. Lol


Genius!

No idea what you're talking about.

Or you say?

Is there some specific play you're referencing that I'm unaware of?

 

[SJ76]

INT pick 6 bounced off D Rich vs. ATL. Let's move on. Vita do you really think we will beat Houston?

 

[Vitamike]

INT pick 6 bounced off D Rich vs. ATL. Let's move on. Vita do you really think we will beat Houston?

I think we cover

Just looked at the spread and it's 7.5. The good news Junkie, the Texans two wins came as a 3 point win and an OT win. Now they've lost in OT and were pounced on by Balt and SF.

The bad news, we are still the Rams, a very young team and young teams get shaken real easy on the road.

So to answer your question do I think we will win?

No I don't.

I hope we win

I think we can win but that's different, ain't it?

If we do win here is how, we will need to run the ball and stop the run period. The Texans don't have that good of a run defense so we might have some success, however they have the best pass defense in the NFL, so don't expect a spectacular outing by our passing attack. I know you don't on one hand, but then on the other you get so disappointed it seems you may. Anyways we just need to run the ball and control the clock get some momentum and hang on. We get down, were not going to be able to pass our way out of it, so it will take some defensive scoring or special teams scoring if we get down early.

 

[STLADAM]

SJ

How is that pick six Bradfords fault tho? As you stated it went off D Rich's hands...

Im not sure if you have noticed or not but I say 70 to 80% of Bradfords throws are on target... the Wr's corp have too many drops this year already

yes Bradford has made mistakes like not lobbing the pass to pettis against frisco I think it was where he was wide open but a lot this year falls on play calling and drops imo

also can we please cut Finnagan he has dropped off this year and is no where near where he should be for getting paid 15mil

 

[LTR1961]

SJ

How is that pick six Bradfords fault tho? As you stated it went off D Rich's hands...

Im not sure if you have noticed or not but I say 70 to 80% of Bradfords throws are on target... the Wr's corp have too many drops this year already

yes Bradford has made mistakes like not lobbing the pass to pettis against frisco I think it was where he was wide open but a lot this year falls on play calling and drops imo

also can we please cut Finnagan he has dropped off this year and is no where near where he should be for getting paid 15mil

Didn't you know. Evertyhing wrong with the Rams is Bradford's fault. He's also responsible for global warming, the high price of gasoline, the federal debt and the government shutdown. Sam is responsible for everything bad in the world.

 

[SJ76]

How is that pick six Bradfords fault tho? As you stated it went off D Rich's hands...



Im not sure if you have noticed or not but I say 70 to 80% of Bradfords throws are on target... the Wr's corp have too many drops this year already

yes Bradford has made mistakes like not lobbing the pass to pettis against frisco I think it was where he was wide open but a lot this year falls on play calling and drops imo

also can we please cut Finnagan he has dropped off this year and is no where near where he should be for getting paid 15mil

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First off we discussed the bulltet throw to DRich 4 yards away while he's turning around 2 weeks ago. But bottom line DRichw as going nowhere even if he catches that ball. So yes the QB should not have thrown that ball.

Second, yes the WRs have had some drops. Sam has also missed some windows when the WRs were wide open too by waiting too long, then the windows close and Sam forces bullets into WRs. So obviously Sam and his weapons and his OC are all not on the same page. So someone needs to step up and make that happen.

Let me ask you this... Why are so many of his WRs/TEs dropping passes? Seems like many of them go thru these spurts of drops.

I can't argue with you peeps anymore. If you really think that the last 4 years of struggling has nothing to do with Sam, then so be it. Keep drinking the koolaid

 

[SJ76]

Sam is so good. I have never seen a better leader and tougher QB. It's amazing how everyone around him is so bad.

:rollseyes:

 

[Smed55]

SJ

How is that pick six Bradfords fault tho? As you stated it went off D Rich's hands...

Im not sure if you have noticed or not but I say 70 to 80% of Bradfords throws are on target... the Wr's corp have too many drops this year already

yes Bradford has made mistakes like not lobbing the pass to pettis against frisco I think it was where he was wide open but a lot this year falls on play calling and drops imo

also can we please cut Finnagan he has dropped off this year and is no where near where he should be for getting t was paid 15mil

I again agree with SJ, that pass should have never been thrown, it was going nowhere and it "did not hit him right in the hands, it was a tough catch because it was a poorly thrown pass.

As far as 70% to 80% of his passes being on target that is not true. He consistently under and over throws his receivers, even on short 5 yard passes.if you watch all games on Sunday, every team has their fair share of dropped passes, it's a proven fact stat wise that the rams were in the top 5 last year of fewest dropped passes in the Entire league, so those of you that want to put the blame on the WR that's not true! Im putting the blame on Bradford and until he proves otherwise thts threat it is.

The proof is in the pudding, and Bradford is waste deep in the pudding!

 

[Vitamike]

I again agree with SJ, that pass should have never been thrown, it was going nowhere and it "did not hit him right in the hands, it was a tough catch because it was a poorly thrown pass.

It doesn't hit him in the hands

You Bradford haters need to stop making excuses for the rest of the team!

And who knows if D Rich can't make a play on the backer, he has some space. And really what the hell do you want Sam to do, take the sack? We can all see that D lineman in his face 1 second after he released the ball. If he did, y'all would be saying he had D Rich in the flats with just an LB to beat. Maybe you think he should take off to the right because it was freaking wide open, as 'someone' else here has said? The freaking edge rusher has the edge sealed, he takes the sack there too!

Face it, Sam is on a bad team, he always has been and for some reason you haters can't or wont acknowledge that but it's the truth.

I point these things out but it doesn't mean I think Sam is great, it means you haters are drinking up the haterade and want to sell BS like this.....did not hit him right in the hands, it was a tough catch because it was a poorly thrown pass

Stop making stuff up! We don't live in the SeeBS world any more boyz, this is the SportsHoopla era and when people here want to say things like the ball didn't hit him in the hands, AND THEY ARE WRONG!

Expect a pic like this to call the BS!

Like I've said before, Sam has plenty of negatives, hell we all do, so pick on those so I may agree with you don't make stuff up!

 

[LTR1961]

Sam is so good. I have never seen a better leader and tougher QB. It's amazing how everyone around him is so bad.

:rollseyes:

You just don't get it do you? No one is saying Bradford is perfect or that he doesn't need to play better. We're saying that he's not the sole reason for the Rams struggles. It's a total team effort. You obsession with Bradford is a little scary.

 

[Smed55]

Sorry Vita, I misspoke, I knew it hit him in the hands, I was more or less saying it didn't hit him right in the hands, the pass is up above his eyes, alot if guys don't catch that ball, is it catchable, yes. Is it a poorly throw pass, yes. As far as D Rich "maybe" having some space to make a move, now I call BS on you, yes it looks like that in a picture that is frozen , but that defensive player is less than a second away from lighting him up, and he did light him up. You ask what do we want Sammie to do, uh maybe throw it away?

Yes I haven't liked him from the beginning, but I'm not a hater, I wish that he would turn it around and become our franchise QB, I am a Ram fan first and foremost. We will continue to diagree because you like Sammie and I don't. You say that we "hater's" put all the blame of Sammie, no they have not been a good team since he has been here, but the blame is going to fall on the QB that's just the way it works and always has.

You defenders of Sammie have always put the blame on his poor oline, his bad WR, his 3 different OC. Yes their OC suck, but at the same time, it's all three of the OC fault, not Sammies, yet Sammie is the only common factor.. Their oline hasn't been good, but he's had numerous different olinemen, and they have all sucked, yet Sammie is the only common factor. Their WR suck and drop passes, they've had numerous different WR, and they all have sucked, yet Sammie is the only common factor. Do you see a common factor here, no it's not Sammies fault, every online, WR, and OC that we have had has sucked, it's not Sammie!

Tannehill has Miami at 3-2, yes it's only one more win than us, but he beat a good Indy team, and Cleveland is better than the average fan thinks, and he beat Atlanta, which we didn't do. Lost to Balt in the final minutes, and he pretty much has kept them in every game. He has done this while getting sacked 24 times (Sammie13), his leading WR is Brian Hartline, while good, he is not great. His second leading WR is a Brandon Gibson, you may have heard of him! Yet last year I heard Gibson sucked with
the Rams. Tannehill gets sacked every 7.6 pass attempts, Sammie every 16.6, now add in how many times Tannehill is getting hit without actually getting sacked, don't have those stats, but I would guess it's alot.

Last year the Rams were in the top five of fewest dropped passes, yet everyone just wants to talk about how many passes our WR dropped. If you watch any game every team has a lot of passes that are dropped, it happens to everybody, so you can't use that as an excuse for Sammie.

I know you can turn and twist stats to show whatever you want, but stats are stats and they do give you a picture of how things are. Sammies WR aren't that bad, his oline is not that bad, I will give you that the game plans that the coaches give him obviously aren't very good. But for as many short passes that he does throw, he should be completing 70% of his passes and his completion pct is poor compared to most others, that actually throw the ball downfield.

Again I commend you for sticking up for him, you have your opinion of him, I have mine, they are just totally different and that's Ok. As I have said, I hope Sammie goes on a tear and lights it up the rest of the year, I'm just not seeing it, and haven't going on 4 years now