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[dtgold88]

So you are taking the Brady-wasn't-tops-in-2008-so-other-QBs-are-better argument. *fart noise.

Brady was in his early 30s in 2008. AR is 36. Don't be absurd.

Never mind I never said Baker was better. What I said was factual and cannot be debated (no matter how hard you try).....in a stat that takes into account every play by the QB and it's effect on each play for the team (was it a positive or negative result?) Baker was slightly better than AR last year.

If I wanted a QB just for this season would I take Baker? Nope

stay focused.

 

[PEOPLESCHICKEN]

No

 

[Wamu]

To be fair, I don't think he blamed the D....seemed like he agreed blaming the D for anything Baker did was absurd. On that I agree. But agree with you it was mostly Freddie. He was easily the worst Browns HC I have ever seen. Let that sink in.

Thanks for pointing that out. My bad. I misread what @Mofo was saying there.

 

[NWPATSFAN]

Most folks here realize how talented he is.

Most of us do know how talented he was/is.

Yet not all of us feast on his cock daily. Shit you make Brady lovers look like kissing cousins.

Tell me what's inaccurate about saying he's not in the HOF yet. Or that he's a potential HOFr?

Maybe one of his pubes were in your eyes so you couldn't read what I wrote.

Sluuuuurrrrrppppppp

 

[GNG]

Most of us do know how talented he was/is.

Yet not all of us feast on his cock daily. Shit you make Brady lovers look like kissing cousins.

Tell me what's inaccurate about saying he's not in the HOF yet. Or that he's a potential HOFr?

Maybe one of his pubes were in your eyes so you couldn't read what I wrote.

Sluuuuurrrrrppppppp

Most folks here think you are a dumbass and your comments in this thread confirm that.

 

[NWPATSFAN]

Most folks here think you are a dumbass and your comments in this thread confirm that.

Says the moron who got outed for lieing on a sports board. No one has nor ever will take anything you said/say seriously.

Keep on GnGing

 

[shopson67]

what is laughable is ignoring a stat that takes in all aspects of being a QB and whether or not he made each play a success.....and also has no agenda in its findings.

Is Baker a better QB than Rodgers? In his career certainly not and Baker can only hope to get to that level. No one said he would.

Your stat is still dependent on overall offensive talent and opponents. I'm sure Rodgers would love to play with Odell and Landry instead of Allison, Valdes-Scantling, Lazard, Kumerow and whoever else the Packers were throwing out there. Both teams were adjusting to new play-callers.

 

[Shanemansj13]

Most of us do know how talented he was/is.

Yet not all of us feast on his cock daily. Shit you make Brady lovers look like kissing cousins.

Tell me what's inaccurate about saying he's not in the HOF yet. Or that he's a potential HOFr?

Maybe one of his pubes were in your eyes so you couldn't read what I wrote.

Sluuuuurrrrrppppppp

There is absolutely no way a player currently playing can be in the HOF...so that point was a stupid point that didn't need to be said. The fact is, he is a future HOFr. No one gives a shit if he isn't in the HOF right now LOL

 

[Across The Field]

Your stat is still dependent on overall offensive talent and opponents. I'm sure Rodgers would love to play with Odell and Landry instead of Allison, Valdes-Scantling, Lazard, Kumerow and whoever else the Packers were throwing out there. Both teams were adjusting to new play-callers.

The Browns could've thrown Rodgers in at starting QB last year and maybe gone 8-8. It's remarkable how little people know about how badly Kitchens fucked up games on a week-to-week basis. His former OC even was telling teams late in the season about how horrible he was as a play-caller, how every week they had no idea what plays he was going to call because he'd completely go off script. I'm not saying Baker is on Rodgers' level because he's obviously not yet, but to act like last year was all his fault is just ignorant. There isn't a QB in the league that would've made that huge of a difference on that Browns team.

 

[Dr. Strangelove]

While it would never happen due to Rodgers' contract, even without that, I would never entertain that deal for the Browns. I'm not totally sold on Mayfield but AR showed signs last year that he isn't what he was. He's a great QB but his best days are behind him. The Browns would be giving up too much of their future in this scenario.
And Mayfield might turn things around under some better coaching yet. The kid has had some if the worst coaching in history in 2 short years. There's no way to sugarcoat just how awful the Browns coaching has been for the last few years. Regardless of how important the QB position is and how much value we all place in it, good coaching is still the difference maker between success and failure.

 

[dtgold88]

Your stat is still dependent on overall offensive talent and opponents. I'm sure Rodgers would love to play with Odell and Landry instead of Allison, Valdes-Scantling, Lazard, Kumerow and whoever else the Packers were throwing out there. Both teams were adjusting to new play-callers.

and I'm sure baker would love to be coached by...well.....anyone instead of Freddie.

 

[dtgold88]

The Browns could've thrown Rodgers in at starting QB last year and maybe gone 8-8. It's remarkable how little people know about how badly Kitchens fucked up games on a week-to-week basis. His former OC even was telling teams late in the season about how horrible he was as a play-caller, how every week they had no idea what plays he was going to call because he'd completely go off script. I'm not saying Baker is on Rodgers' level because he's obviously not yet, but to act like last year was all his fault is just ignorant. There isn't a QB in the league that would've made that huge of a difference on that Browns team.

and, truth be told I am not usually blame the coach guy but when I am confident Freddie is the worst coach I have ever seen on the Browns that says so much.

I'd even say with Hue as coach they go no worse than 8-8 last season.

 

[Shanemansj13]

While it would never happen due to Rodgers' contract, even without that, I would never entertain that deal for the Browns. I'm not totally sold on Mayfield but AR showed signs last year that he isn't what he was. He's a great QB but his best days are behind him. The Browns would be giving up too much of their future in this scenario.
And Mayfield might turn things around under some better coaching yet. The kid has had some if the worst coaching in history in 2 short years. There's no way to sugarcoat just how awful the Browns coaching has been for the last few years. Regardless of how important the QB position is and how much value we all place in it, good coaching is still the difference maker between success and failure.

3 coaches in less than 2 years is tough to handle for any player let alone a young QB but that's why I still believe in Baker bc he is a tough kid. He has the arm talent and potential to be a damn good QB just needs to clear out the noise and work on his weaknesses. No need to have twitter fights with fans or Cowherd-radio/tv personality.

 

[dtgold88]

While it would never happen due to Rodgers' contract, even without that, I would never entertain that deal for the Browns. I'm not totally sold on Mayfield but AR showed signs last year that he isn't what he was. He's a great QB but his best days are behind him. The Browns would be giving up too much of their future in this scenario.
And Mayfield might turn things around under some better coaching yet. The kid has had some if the worst coaching in history in 2 short years. There's no way to sugarcoat just how awful the Browns coaching has been for the last few years. Regardless of how important the QB position is and how much value we all place in it, good coaching is still the difference maker between success and failure.

agree.....though Freddie goes well beyond what it is to be a bad coach.

As for the deal, my saying no was not meant as an indictment on Rodgers. If the guy was in his early 30s (but this Browns roster) I make that deal in a heartbeat.

 

[Wamu]

and I'm sure baker would love to be coached by...well.....anyone instead of Freddie.

 

[Dr. Strangelove]

3 coaches in less than 2 years is tough to handle for any player let alone a young QB but that's why I still believe in Baker bc he is a tough kid. He has the arm talent and potential to be a damn good QB just needs to clear out the noise and work on his weaknesses. No need to have twitter fights with fans or Cowherd-radio/tv personality.

It reminds me of when Alex Smith was on the Niners. Now Smith is what he is but he had, iirc, 4 different OCs in 5 years or something like that. Young QBs need consistency and good coaching. I highly doubt we are all gushing over Pat Mahomes if he was drafted by the Browns and playing for the likes of Hue Jackson and Freddie Kitchens instead of Andy Reid.

 

[Dr. Strangelove]

agree.....though Freddie goes well beyond what it is to be a bad coach.

As for the deal, my saying no was not meant as an indictment on Rodgers. If the guy was in his early 30s (but this Browns roster) I make that deal in a heartbeat.

Oh yeah, if Rodgers is younger and pre-injuries, for sure. But he's 36 and showing signs that he isn't what he was is my only point.

 

[dtgold88]

Oh yeah, if Rodgers is younger and pre-injuries, for sure. But he's 36 and showing signs that he isn't what he was is my only point.

I hear ya...we are on same page in this discussion.

I also think some who think it's a no brainer for the Browns also assume because Brady and Brees were studs into their 40s the same will happen for AR.

Honestly, other than maybe a half a season for Favre, I can't think of anyone else who was close to that level at 40 or later.

 

[molsaniceman]

I hear ya...we are on same page in this discussion.

I also think some who think it's a no brainer for the Browns also assume because Brady and Brees were studs into their 40s the same will happen for AR.

Honestly, other than maybe a half a season for Favre, I can't think of anyone else who was close to that level at 40 or later.

its a short list since 1970

 

[dtgold88]

its a short list since 1970

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Solid memory by me, I guess. Other than Brady and Brees there was only the 1 season by Favre. I guess Moon had a decent one after 40.

Thanks for the info.