Game Thread: Preseason Game Thread: 2016-17 Season

[WiggyRuss]

I think what it comes down to is perspective. Without perspective, you cannot have a rational conversation with someone.

If you believe I'm full of shit, go ahead and say it and be done with it. I'm not defending myself anymore because I've pointed out everything I could to repeatedly say that the pre-season game isn't indicative of what will happen during the regular season, only that it is a nice example of what it could be. I further clarified it saying my definition of example means that it's not something that I immediately see as sustainable or even setting up a pattern of frequency, meaning the game in the big scheme of things is pointless.

Let me put it this way, if you said Kyrie was going to be the MVP of the league this year and in his second pre-season game he dropped 70 points, you could say this is a nice example of what you were saying we could look forward to. I could say that the pre-season game is meaningless and you could argue that you don't believe it's meaningful, you were just pointing out an observation on how it could potentially happen. If you laid it out like that I would have no arguments with you because I could see where you are coming from in that it was just nice to see and that you weren't promoting it like it was a given or even expected to happen again all year. Again, this is probably me just giving you the benefit of the doubt, where you clearly will not give me.

I think what it boils down to is I'm reasonable in that if you state a position and clarify it within reason (which I believe I have) I would give you the benefit of the doubt and say that's probably right. You for some reason, do not seem to want to provide the same courtesy on my part.

I would not "lay" that out because it doesnt make sense. How could you possibly say that a guy scoring 70 means something in the preseason- but in the next post say the preseason doesnt mean anything?

its either one or the other. You can try and conflate it somehow using different misnomers and language as "examples"--- but i still see absolutely nothing that distracts me from the fact that either you think the preseason means something or it doesnt. you said both. I dont know how that is possible and am not smart enough to figure out how--- unless maybe you go into some String theory and alternate dimensions.

 

[LAD]

Well- because without enough data how can one have an analysis? However, having watched 21 minutes (I'm not even sure where that number came from- but none-the-less we'll go with it) that would appear to be enough to use for the this purpose.

And I think it's important to remember that CS isn't saying this is FACT. Only that it appears Klay has no adjustments to make- which isn't hard to believe.

I think the challenge for you is because you're taking his observation and presenting it as FACT in your statements. If you don't agree with his assessment- then all you have to say is something along the lines of: I think I would need to see more games to determine whether I agree or not.

 

[WiggyRuss]

Well- because without enough data how can one have an analysis? However, having watched 21 minutes (I'm not even sure where that number came from- but none-the-less we'll go with it) that would appear to be enough to use for the this purpose.

EXACTLY--- not only that---- but the data is corrupt---- you dont know if the other team is even trying or if they are expirementing with new defenses, new lineups etc.

for example- Preseason Game #1- the Warriors all stars all sucked--- they all shot like shit- Draymond only got 2 shots and missed both- and they lost. Durant was 2/9, Thompson 5/13...etc....maybe that was because Toronto actually TRIED and had their defense in- who knows. maybe the Warriors were trying something new- who knows.

Maybe in Game #2 the Clippers played their scrubs, or they were experimenting with new systems, or were playing a different type of defense....my point is- not ONLY is the sample size incredibly small- the data is 100% corrupt- its no COMPARISON in any way to what you will ACTUALLY see in the regular season and its why i put no stock in the results.

if you want to put stock in to the results and disagree thats cool--- i just dont.

 

[CitySushi]

seriously though- to settle it-

do you think that you saw a "perfect example" of how Klay will play from 21 minutes of preseason game #2....or do you think the preseason doesnt mean anything? I am very interested in which one you actually think is true- becaus as i said- those are mutually exclusive options.

Definitely #2, as I have said all along. The game doesn't mean anything, it was just nice to see.

 

[CitySushi]

And I think it's important to remember that CS isn't saying this is FACT. Only that it appears Klay has no adjustments to make- which isn't hard to believe.

I think the challenge for you is because you're taking his observation and presenting it as FACT in your statements. If you don't agree with his assessment- then all you have to say is something along the lines of: I think I would need to see more games to determine whether I agree or not.

 

[LAD]

EXACTLY--- not only that---- but the data is corrupt---- you dont know if the other team is even trying or if they are expirementing with new defenses, new lineups etc.

for example- Preseason Game #1- the Warriors all stars all sucked--- they all shot like shit- Draymond only got 2 shots and missed both- and they lost. Durant was 2/9, Thompson 5/13...etc....maybe that was because Toronto actually TRIED and had their defense in- who knows.

Maybe in Game #2 the Clippers played their scrubs, or they were experimenting with new systems, or were playing a different type of defense....my point is- not ONLY is the sample size incredibly small- the data is 100% corrupt- its no COMPARISON in any way to what you will ACTUALLY see in the regular season and its why i put no stock in the results.

if you want to put stock in to the results and disagree thats cool--- i just dont.

This is a good counter-argument that would've fit in nicely to his original post. The two together would've made for a good debate.

Now, in response to some of your points-

I think the reason the observation was on point was because of the difference between the first pre season game & the second. They were drastically different. Some might say that by the end of that second game there was plenty of data to come up with an analysis- more specifically the analysis that CS presented. Especially when we know that Klay's performance was good-and the same- in BOTH games.

Fact is, the Clippers did NOT play their scrubs in the first half- not even to start the 3rd quarter of that game. You would've known that if you had watched. So to say the data is 100% corrupt is a misjudgment on your part- since you clearly didn't have all the FACTS.

It's very clear you see no point in pre-season-- but to pick this argument I can only say that you should've watched both games so you would have better supporting factors rather than just your opinion.

 

[Black Adam]

Russy- that statement shouldn't need a SPECIAL explanation. It only requires comprehension.

oh well Hell, no WONDER he's lost...

 

[Black Adam]

maybe i am not as smart as you

WiggityWack with a true statement finally...!!

 

[Bulletz]

Definitely #2, as I have said all along. The game doesn't mean anything, it was just nice to see.

This statement completely contradicts itself. Did you say it all along? Or was it nice to see?

 

[Black Adam]

This statement completely contradicts itself. Did you say it all along? Or was it nice to see?

you GOTTA admit it. the dude's comedy GOLD...!

 

[Black Adam]

This statement completely contradicts itself. Did you say it all along? Or was it nice to see?

you GOTTA admit it. the dude's comedy GOLD...!

 

[Black Adam]

dang double post lol...

ah wtf, it bore repeating...

 

[Mecca of the “B” Team]

This statement completely contradicts itself. Did you say it all along? Or was it nice to see?

 

[Heatles84]

Seriously, you're a moron. I've tried to stay away from personal insults, but you continually disregard anything I say and twist it to support your own deluded thoughts. Here, maybe if I put it in bold for you, you'll recognize it:

I NEVER SAID A PRESEASON GAME MEANT ANYTHING.

(1) At no point did I ever conclude one single pre-season game meant anything. If you look at the quote you even provided that I said it was "perfect example". That in itself should show you that it's not gospel truth but an EXAMPLE of what it could be.

(2) No shit pre-season games don't mean anything. I didn't say they did, but again you twist it to make it seem like I did. Again all I did was make a casual observation, as referenced numerous times. Also this has nothing to with this upcoming season. Like, at all. How does question marks about last years team have any relevance to this years team and how ready they are right now?

(3) Again, WTF why do you think you know what's inside my head, when I continually tell you the opposite. PERFECT EXAMPLE does not mean HEY THIS IS HOW IT IS PERMANENTLY.

Seriously there's got to be something wrong with you if you're trying to become a legal profession, yet can't comprehend reasonable observations. Lastly, anyone know where Wiggy can find some good cyanide?

Better watch out, this apparently makes you a scum bag. Ok, I'm done.

 

[Heatles84]

It's really not hard to grasp what Sushi is saying. Preseason games don't mean shit as it pertains to winning or losing. If the Dubs were to have lost every preseason game, nobody really cares given that it nearly applies the way it does in football. In the preseason, like in any sport, is your opportunity to experiment with certain lineups as well as gauge the play making ability of other lower-tier players.

What Sushi's stating is that Klay seems to be finding himself already in the offense with Durant implemented - that's the important part.

And yeah, Wiggy picking a fight with another poster. It was just last week where Wiggy blew a gasket with me directing personal insults his way in a derogatory matter. But here we are again and Wiggy provides Skip Bayless like substance that infuriates other posters.

 

[Heatles84]

"Only Lakers and Heat fans think Wiggy is a moron" - Todd

One year from now:

"Only Lakers, Clippers, Warriors, Spurs, Rockets, Mavericks, Cavs, and Kings fans think Wiggy is bat shit stupid" - Todd AKA Marshmallow Face

 

[Heatles84]

And I think it's important to remember that CS isn't saying this is FACT. Only that it appears Klay has no adjustments to make- which isn't hard to believe.

I think the challenge for you is because you're taking his observation and presenting it as FACT in your statements. If you don't agree with his assessment- then all you have to say is something along the lines of: I think I would need to see more games to determine whether I agree or not.

I'll just start referring to LAD as "voice of reason"

 

[HurricaneDij39]

Refreshing to see the Pacers put up big points first couple preseason games...Hopefully the chemistry translates.

 

[HurricaneDij39]

The thing that concerns me about the Nuggets would be if Mudiay/Murray have the same backcourt chemistry as Murray/Harris, considering both players are highly touted prospects that are going to need the ball in their hands a lot. Gary Harris has proven he doesn't always need the ball in his hands to be effective. Now that Harris is going to be out at least six weeks, we're going to see early on what these two guys got.

 

[trojanfan12]

It's why Wiggy isn't interested in anything until later because there's no question marks with them.

Did you just go 3rd person?!?