Potential playoff you'd least like to see

[Texas Jefe]

#metoo

 

[Blackshirts BLVD]

roll back games, increase playoff games to equal same number of total games? you go facepalm urself

Ok, apparently reading is not your strong suit. Hopefully for the last time. I never said to roll back conference games, go ahead an look. I will wait.

I said that if necessary, they could roll back NONCONFERENCE games if the effort were to keep the same number of games.

NONETHELESS, I don't care. I would rather have more games. So roll none back and still expand would be what I would like to see.


So yes, you do need to facepalm yourself, because you apparently are struggling to read basic english.

 

[Blackshirts BLVD]

As of 7:10pm CST, SteelerPride is offline.


I rest my case.



For anyone else wanting to pick it up, I would legitimately like to hear a case for what changed and/or what makes/made it necessary to rank teams that high before and not now?

 

[SteelersPride]

Ok and that could be a fair point, so lets break it down.

2010 TCU played two ranked teams all season long prior to the bowl season.

#24 Oregon St (who finished unranked with a record of 5-7)
#6 Utah (who finished ranked 23 with a record of 10-3)

2017 UCF played two ranked teams all season long prior to the bowl season.

#22 South Florida (who finished ranked #21 with a record of 10-2)
#16 Memphis (who finished ranked #24/25 with a record of 10-3)

The combined record of teams TCU played prior to bowls is 68-83.
The combined record of teams UCF played prior to bowls is 81-69.

We know that both teams went on to win their bowl games as well. TCU over Wisconsin. and UCF over Auburn. And not to split hairs, but UCF beat Auburn by a greater margin than TCU beat Wisconsin.

Looks like UCF gets the nod in my opinion. But let's hear your reasoning.

ill take that reasoning , kudos

 

[Yo Tee]

Alabama
Clemson
Oklahoma
Ohio State

 

[Blackshirts BLVD]

ill take that reasoning , kudos

Well glad we could end on agreement, but I am genuinely curious as why...

1) UCF making the playoff is ridiculous to some.
and 2) Why there has been the dramatic shift in ranking.

 

[TheLonestarDUCK]

Oregon
Bowling Green
San Jose State
Portland State

 

[4down20]

But as of right now you can make legitimate cases for number 5 or 6 or having every P5 represented. Anyone whining about being 9th and not in will have their tears fall on deaf ears.

It won't be about the 9th spot, they'll be crying about the 12 teams that say they deserve the #8 spot.

 

[4down20]

Well glad we could end on agreement, but I am genuinely curious as why...

1) UCF making the playoff is ridiculous to some.
and 2) Why there has been the dramatic shift in ranking.

Because they haven't done anything that the majority of the top20 couldn't also do.

And for the record, it was bullshit that TCU belonged in the top4 in 2010 as well.

 

[4down20]

What is your point?

The FCS have a 24 team playoff.

And they don't have bowl games or any other post season competition and nobody generally watches them either. They are played on their own fields etc.

What's next, you gonna cite your states highschool setup?

 

[4down20]

1. This isn't FCS or March Madness (for whatever reason that is brought up) is not a legitimate argument. The FCS schools can do it. They play 11-12 games a season. Their students go to school. Their players get injured. Hell they even step up and often times play FBS power 5 schools. So what is your point? In what way does saying "this isnt the FCS" a legitimate argument against an 8 team or even a 16 team playoff when they are able to do it with 24 teams. This is a serious question, help me understand where you are coming from. If you just don't want it because you don't want it... I think that is weird from a fan perspective, but you are entitled to your opinion. Don't feed me excuses that don't make sense is all I am asking.

2. No, I don't want to cut the season down. Personally, I would rather make it a little longer. But a common gripe/complaint is that it would be too long of a season. I was merely stating that if we took 1 to 2 non conference games away, we could naturally extent the season and it wouldn't change the number of games played.

The goal of the playoffs isn't to provide the most spots for teams, it's to determine a national championship among the best teams in college football. And most of us want to see good teams who play tough schedules rewarded for doing those things, and we don't want to see a bunch of shit games added to the post season where injuries and other random factors completely change the outcome - it happens enough as it is already. If you are going to add to it, then it needs to be for damn good reason.

You don't have a good reason because you aren't adding actual value to the playoffs or the post season. All you are doing is watering down the playoffs, while sucking the meaning out of the regular season. It's no different than bowl games - once upon a time going to a bowl game meant something, but now there are so many teams that go it's not even special.

What the fuck is the #24 team really going to do? This isn't fucking basketball. It's a waste of time, and most of the games are just repeats of existing games anyway.

And really, you aren't worth the time beyond that kind of explanation. If you really give a shit, read up on the topic. But personally, I'm just gonna put you in the same group of lame asses that want participation trophies.

 

[RobToxin]

it they go 8, it will just turn to we need 10 or 12 or 25

True story.

There are almost 70 teams in the NCAA Tournament and teams are still bitching about getting left out.

 

[SteelersPride]

True story.

There are almost 70 teams in the NCAA Tournament and teams are still bitching about getting left out.

but but but the fcs has more than 4

 

[Blackshirts BLVD]

Because they haven't done anything that the majority of the top20 couldn't also do.

And for the record, it was bullshit that TCU belonged in the top4 in 2010 as well.

Except go undefeated with lesser talent and beat teams that Bama couldn't.

If you think it was BS TCU was in the top 4 practically all season long, that's fine. You are in the minority.

 

[Blackshirts BLVD]

And they don't have bowl games or any other post season competition and nobody generally watches them either. They are played on their own fields etc.

What's next, you gonna cite your states highschool setup?

And nobody watches a majority of the FBS bowls as well. Hell, they don't even sell well. "They are played on their own fields".... so what? That is often how things are done in a system like that, higher seeds get a home field advantage until the field whittles down.

Highschool? No need. You can't even adequately refute the FCS system.

 

[SU Nittany Tide]

And yes, I understand that they are not going through the week in and week out gaunlets that the power 5 schools go through, but I think that is a bogus argument myself.

The ONLY semi-legitimate claim to be had out of that is the potential to injury. I say semi-legitimate because there is no guarantee to any player becoming injured or not throughout the season.

Besides that, these are G5 level of talented players (mostly) that play other G5 level talented players and dominate so strongly that I think they deserve an at large bid to play for something that matters.

I just find it weird that the AP believes TCU was a top 4 school for most of the season in 2010, but now UCF even being a top 5 school during a playoff era is insane. I think that logic is flawed.

They were very lucky to beat a bad memphis team but that's the only game I've seen of theirs.

 

[Blackshirts BLVD]

The goal of the playoffs isn't to provide the most spots for teams, it's to determine a national championship among the best teams in college football.

Oh... thank you. I didn't realize that. And since I have never in my life seen an underdog win, we shouldn't expand the playoff system. Hell, we don't even need to play the game anymore. We can get the preseason poll from the AP and simply declare whoever they vote #1 as the national champ that year.

That is why you play the game numb nuts. That is why the 07 Boise/OU game is considered great, it wasn't some form of outstanding football that you never see, it was a cinderella story where no one thought that they had a chance. This reeks of worry as if Bama were to lose to a good G5 school would implode your mind. Just so you know, it wouldn't be the first time.

And most of us want to see good teams who play tough schedules rewarded for doing those things, and we don't want to see a bunch of shit games added to the post season where injuries and other random factors completely change the outcome - it happens enough as it is already. If you are going to add to it, then it needs to be for damn good reason.

I love how you are quick to cite a tougher schedule for power 5 schools, but refuse to acknowledge that most of these G5 schools have lesser talent than P5 schools and yet often times still play P5 opponents. This is why it is typically more impressive for G5 teams to go undefeated. SOS is a pretty unstable metric. A preseason SOS ranking is BS as no one has played and thus no one knows how tough any of the teams are. I mean hell, S+P has BYU listed as the 29th toughest schedule this year. The only teams of note that they have played are Wisconsin and Washington (both teams that have underperformed this year) and the only team they have of note remaining is currently #23 Utah.

Next.

You don't have a good reason because you aren't adding actual value to the playoffs or the post season. All you are doing is watering down the playoffs, while sucking the meaning out of the regular season. It's no different than bowl games - once upon a time going to a bowl game meant something, but now there are so many teams that go it's not even special.

So there is no good reason to have an 8 team system? None, you can't think of ANY value that would bring? None? Don't confuse or conflat my statements. I have been advocating for an 8 team playoff system. I merely asked SteelerPride for his reason of why it's bogus when the FCS can do even more. I do think a 16 team system would be the most fan friendly system (which does matter!!), but 8 team would satisfy the overall consensus in my opinion. So you not only think there is no value brought it, but that it essentially devalues the regular season?

I can agree that there are too many bowl games.

What the fuck is the #24 team really going to do? This isn't fucking basketball. It's a waste of time, and most of the games are just repeats of existing games anyway.

And really, you aren't worth the time beyond that kind of explanation. If you really give a shit, read up on the topic. But personally, I'm just gonna put you in the same group of lame asses that want participation trophies.

LMAO. That's funny. Read up? I assume you are saying this because you are "read up" (LMAO), but yet through this whole post, you provided ZERO substance to refute a playoff expansion. You're a bum. You provided the EXACT SAME dipshit argument that was already refuted...' well it isn't basketball' so what you moron. Suddenly for the playoff system to go beyond 4 teams it means it suddenly becomes basketball. Have you ever debated in your life? You sir, are an idiot. Or 'what is the #24 team really going to do?'... they are like any other team, they will do what they can. Have you ever seen an upset in college football? I rest my case, again, your statements are the digital expression of dumbassery coming through on my computer.

Well what do I have to do to be worth the time to have a REAL explanation because yours are nonsensical, logically flawed drivel.

My god, you whine like a liberal snowflake. For starters, as I have said repeatedly, your arguments are literally dumb, flawed, and lack ANY substance that could be taken as a form of credible information. Based on that... are you sure you are not some dipshit liberal, what's next, wanna tell me the gender pay gap is real? 2, you reach on a 'participation trophy' statement, while completely whiffing on YOUR OWN LOGIC. You are the one that is afraid to play teams or afraid to lose to them. You want a system set up to ensure that doesn't happen. You want a system that sets up to maximize your teams potential at winning a championship... more games doesn't do that. You want these things, because you know that expanding the playoff will make it harder for Bama, nevermind the fact that you always complain about other people complaining about Bamas scheduling... I am not contending that any one gets any kind of trophy, hell I am not advocating for a 24 team playoff, but you sir are the living embodiment of participation trophy.

 

[Blackshirts BLVD]

They were very lucky to beat a bad memphis team but that's the only game I've seen of theirs.

Yes, this year. I am not talking about them now. I am simply pointing out this double standard that now exists. TCU and Boise were regularly ranked high... high enough to be included in a playoff spot nowadays, yet in todays college football world, a G5 team can hardly seem to break into the top 10 even though they have done more than Boise or TCU did in their time.

 

[Blackshirts BLVD]

It won't be about the 9th spot, they'll be crying about the 12 teams that say they deserve the #8 spot.

So I take it that your opinion is to go back to the BCS days and continue doing things in that manner?

I suggest that because your logic is flawed if you still want the playoff system, because you can LITERALLY say what you just did about ANY kind of playoff system.

 

[7Samurai13]

So I take it that your opinion is to go back to the BCS days and continue doing things in that manner?

I suggest that because your logic is flawed if you still want the playoff system, because you can LITERALLY say what you just did about ANY kind of playoff system.

I mean it’s not like teams are complaining about being left out in they NCAA tournament when the select 68 teams, right?