Post Your Top 3 AL/NL MVP/CYA - End of August

[ericd7633]

AL MVP:
1. Josh Donaldson
2. Mike Trout
3. Nelson Cruz

NL MVP:
1. Bryce Harper
2. Paul Goldschmidt
3. Joey Votto

AL CYA:
1. Dallas Keuchel
2. Sonny Gray
3. David Price

NL CYA:
1. Zach Greinke
2. Clayton Kershaw
3. Jake Arrieta

 

[rmilia1]

I am old school on the MVP awards. To me there is no possible way you are the Most Valuable Player in the league if your team doesnt at LEAST make the playoffs. My AL MVP is Donaldsona nd my NL MVP is Rizzo.

Cy Young awards are Kuechel in the AL with Price 2nd and Greinke in the NL with Arrieta 2nd

 

[Bolts]

MVP
AL: 1. Donaldson 2. Trout 3. Cruz
NL: 1. Harper 2. Goldy 3. Rizzo(damn you Padres)
CY Young
AL: 1. Dallas 2. Price 3. Gray
NL: 1. Greinke 2. Arrieta 3. Kershaw

 

[mr.hockey4242]

I just don't understand how people still have Harper. His team is the biggest disappoint of all and not in the playoffs. I know his OBP and average have stayed steady but May was a godly month RBI and Homer wise with the rest being solid. I may selectively watch but it also seems like he's been the king of meaningless homers since May(solo and 2 run homers wiTh game basically done)

Goldy is better if winning isn't important.

Guys like Mccutchen or maybe Rizzo if it is.

 

[obxyankeefan]

Rizzo beats out Goldschmidt for the same reason that McCauthan beat Goldschmidt a few years ago.

Donaldson, Keutchel, and Greinke for the other three.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

NL MVP is interesting... There are 2 players who are the clear best offensive bats and that is Harper and Goldshmidt... Nobody is even close to them... But neither will make the playoffs...

One of them should win still since it is not even close... Probably harper, he deserves it more than goldy, being better everywhere except RBIs... and he is doing it all in a pitching ballpark compared to the hitters ballpark in Arizona...

so even without the playoffs I still think Harper will win...

 

[MilkSpiller22]

only other choice is Greinke for MVP...

 

[rmilia1]

People love looking at expanded states but then they dont look at the right shit when deciding on an MVP. If you think there are 4 or 5 legit NL MVP candidates Harper ranks last or next to last in A. Game winning hits B. Game winning RBI C. BA wth runners in scoring position D. BA after the 7th inning.... Rizzon ranks 1st or 2nd in ALL those categories. Thats why teams win, clutch moments. Im sure hitting a home run in a 9- 3 loss is great but its not as good as hitting a game winning single in a 4-3 walkoff.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

People love looking at expanded states but then they dont look at the right shit when deciding on an MVP. If you think there are 4 or 5 legit NL MVP candidates Harper ranks last or next to last in A. Game winning hits B. Game winning RBI C. BA wth runners in scoring position D. BA after the 7th inning.... Rizzon ranks 1st or 2nd in ALL those categories. Thats why teams win, clutch moments. Im sure hitting a home run in a 9- 3 loss is great but its not as good as hitting a game winning single in a 4-3 walkoff.

of your 4 stats you point out, A and B are situational stats after your team wins... So a team that wins more games a player will have more opportunity to get these... Not to mention a game winning hit is a subcategory of game winning RBI, and could happen at any point in the game even the first inning....

This is like me saying that Harper had a better OPS and a better OBP... when you say one, the 2nd loses all credit...

You poopoo on hitting HRs when behind, how else does a team catchup??

 

[rmilia1]

of your 4 stats you point out, A and B are situational stats after your team wins... So a team that wins more games a player will have more opportunity to get these... Not to mention a game winning hit is a subcategory of game winning RBI, and could happen at any point in the game even the first inning....

This is like me saying that Harper had a better OPS and a better OBP... when you say one, the 2nd loses all credit...

You poopoo on hitting HRs when behind, how else does a team catchup??

Its a round about argument man. You say game winning RBI and game winning hits arent as important because they only happen after your team wins, id argue your team wins because you got those hits. Harper is great as is Goldy but you cant be the Most Valuable anything when your team goes 81-81. Thats just my opinion. Its be one thing if Harper or Goldy were having historic type years. Theya rent, theyre just having really good years but so are a few other guys who play for winning teams and many of those teams are winning teams because of what those guys are doing situationally.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

AND in tie games Harper has a .308 BA/.420 OBP/1.014 OPS, 9 HRs and 30 RBIs in 162 plate appearances

Rizzo has .269 BA/.391 OBP/.842 OPS, 6 HRs and 19 RBIs in 207 plate appearances...

just to cherry pick a MORE important clutch stat...

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Its a round about argument man. You say game winning RBI and game winning hits arent as important because they only happen after your team wins, id argue your team wins because you got those hits. Harper is great as is Goldy but you cant be the Most Valuable anything when your team goes 81-81. Thats just my opinion. Its be one thing if Harper or Goldy were having historic type years. Theya rent, theyre just having really good years but so are a few other guys who play for winning teams and many of those teams are winning teams because of what those guys are doing situationally.

I agree that players who don't make the playoffs should be measured differently... THe thing here is that there is nobody even close to Harper and goldy...

 

[rmilia1]

I agree that players who don't make the playoffs should be measured differently... THe thing here is that there is nobody even close to Harper and goldy...

Eh I disagree but thats whats great about sports debates LOL

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Eh I disagree but thats whats great about sports debates LOL

If making the playoffs is so important, then the clear choice would be Greinke IMO... definitely over Rizzo...

 

[navamind]

stop citing counting stats. It's 2015.

 

[rmilia1]

If making the playoffs is so important, then the clear choice would be Greinke IMO... definitely over Rizzo...

Im not a propenent of giving the MVP to a starting pitcher. They have their own award and Greinke is clearly ahead in that race. The only pitcher I could EVER see winning a MVP is a closer and that is if they do something crazy like save 50-60+ games.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

stop citing counting stats. It's 2015.

so, counting stats are still very important... counting stats are actually still the most important statistics that measure results...

 

[ericd7633]

Its a round about argument man. You say game winning RBI and game winning hits arent as important because they only happen after your team wins, id argue your team wins because you got those hits. Harper is great as is Goldy but you cant be the Most Valuable anything when your team goes 81-81. Thats just my opinion. Its be one thing if Harper or Goldy were having historic type years. Theya rent, theyre just having really good years but so are a few other guys who play for winning teams and many of those teams are winning teams because of what those guys are doing situationally.

I think you're really underestimating the type of year Harper is having. If he stays at his current pace you could argue he's having the best season in the last decade. And is having a top 10 season since 2000. Which is saying something considering most of the seasons that could be considered were seasons by Bonds, Sosa and Giambi.

He just destroys Rizzo in really any meaningful offensive category.

 

[rmilia1]

I think you're really underestimating the type of year Harper is having. If he stays at his current pace you could argue he's having the best season in the last decade. And is having a top 10 season since 2000. Which is saying something considering most of the seasons that could be considered were seasons by Bonds, Sosa and Giambi.

He just destroys Rizzo in really any meaningful offensive category.

See I just dont see that. I look at the numbers and yes Harper is having the better year but Most Valuable still means something. Its tough for me to consider anyone the Most Valuable when their team is such a failure. I know thats old school thinking but it doesnt mean its wrong

 

[ericd7633]

See I just dont see that. I look at the numbers and yes Harper is having the better year but Most Valuable still means something. Its tough for me to consider anyone the Most Valuable when their team is such a failure. I know thats old school thinking but it doesnt mean its wrong

You do realize Harper is the ONLY reason why the Nats are where they are. I think its illogical to blame the Nats failure on him when the two highest paid positional players are batting a combined like .215. I mean between their other 3 "best" supposed players they have a combined WAR of .3. That's awful. There's that and Span only having played half the games as well.

Harper is beating Rizzo in:
Avg, OBP, Slg%, OPS, OPS+, WAR, and oWAR. And really in those categories its not really close either.