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[skinsdad62]

Snap Counts: Redskins-Packers (2017 Preseason, Week 2) 
snaps counts , nicholson and FM got some good work in

 

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Jay Gruden: "We'll Build On What We've Learned" 

post game presser , no injuries is good

 

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http://www.redskins.com/media-galle...ositives/8cf7f2eb-2dd6-492d-885c-a79e5904048e

KC presser

 

[skinsdad62]

Need to Know: Redskins stock up-stock down vs. Packers

stock up and stock down , totally agree with this

 

[skinsdad62]

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  John KeimESPN Staff Writer

LANDOVER, Md. -- The Washington Redskins wanted to make a statement on offense. They failed. In their second preseason game, the Redskins lost to Green Bay, 21-17. That didn't matter as much as the fact that the Redskins did not generate much with its starting offense -- that's why coach Jay Gruden left them in for an entire half.

QB depth chart: Starter Kirk Cousins has yet to look sharp in his two outings save for a pair of excellent throws, one to running back Chris Thompson on a wheel route and another to tight end Vernon Davis down the field. Otherwise, there has been little rhythm and timing. Cousins needs more work with Josh Doctson and Terrelle Pryor. Cousins averaged just 6.3 yards per attempt. Colt McCoy led a touchdown drive and completed 7 of 11 passes for 64 yards on the night. Nate Sudfeld led a late drive, but it stalled at the Packers' 22; he completed 6 of 11 passes for 64 yards.

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When it was starters vs. starters, the Redskins looked ...: Like a team that needs more work. The offense went three-and-out on their two full series versus Green Bay's starters, gaining just 8 total yards. They couldn't run the ball (4 yards on three carries). The defense was OK at times, but it allowed a touchdown, as Aaron Rodgers was, well, Aaron Rodgers.

Kirk Cousins completed 14 of 23 passes for 144 yards and a score, but the offense went three-and-out on its only two possessions against the Packers' first team. Geoff Burke/USA TODAY Sports
One reason to be concerned: The inability to generate anything on the ground. The blocking has not been good -- it's not the same guy missing a block, either. These issues are spread around and includes the tight ends. The Redskins aren't generating much of a push or re-establishing the line of scrimmage. That must improve considering the Redskins say they want to emphasize the run more this season. But the run game must give them reason to believe it can be consistent.

That guy could start: Running back Samaje Perine. He looked much improved Saturday after a tough showing against Baltimore. And he still has work to do to be truly ready for a starting job. But Perine ran more decisive and with power -- he excels at yards after contact. Perine, who gained 45 yards on eight carries, also appeared to handle protection duties better, proving to be a quick study.

Rookie watch: Corner Fabian Moreau made his preseason debut with somewhat mixed results. He gave up a 38-yard catch but give credit to quarterback Brett Hundley for a perfect throw. Moreau broke up another pass by playing physical and using good leverage. He also made two plays on special teams, causing a fumble on one.

Summer debut: Receiver Josh Doctson caught one pass for 12 yards, working mostly with the second offense. He also broke up a would-be interception thanks to his leaping ability and athleticism. Doctson was open on a rub route at the goal line, but Cousins didn't pull the trigger. They need to work a lot more together so Cousins can develop a trust in him. Doctson did show good patience running his routes.

Defensive duo: The Redskins started Mason Foster and Zach Brown inside; both had their moments, with Foster doing a nice job handling play-calling duties and making plays. Brown showed his speed but also allowed a touchdown pass on a fade to tight end Martellus Bennett from Rodgers. No crime there. But he'll also know he could have played it a little better and prevented Bennett from creating extra space by faking inside.

 

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First-team problems: Redskins offense still has a long way to go

i think FM and perine had good games for the rookies as did nicholson

 

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

First-team problems: Redskins offense still has a long way to go

i think FM and perine had good games for the rookies as did nicholson

Fm got burned by a wr named janis but all in all fm will make the team you can also say it was perfect pass by hundly

 

[skinsdad62]

Redskins Breakdown: Offense struggles early in loss to Packers

good breakdown here

 

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

should we make a play for QB HILL if green bay does not put him on the 53 idk just a thought

 

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

skins dad you are good MOD those nut jobs at extreme skins forums at redskins .com they lock game threads as soon as the game is over and you cant even talk about the game after it is over thank you for your hard work and sharing all this info class act bro

 

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

last week game was so horriable i thought this week skins would have gone all in and destroy the pack i got so pissed last night because i thought skins would have gone all in and play but deep down its only preseason we are not this bad and it could be blessing to unleash on the eagles because we have not showed anything .. take eagles by suprise yeah!!!!!

 

[skinsdad62]

LANDOVER, Maryland -- The problem with the Washington Redskins' run game remains the same as it’s been in the past. It’s not a one-position issue. It’s not even just an offensive line problem, though there were a few negatives up front.

Rather, when they have a good play called, one person misses a block. Or when they need push, they’re not getting it. Or when they do, it takes one miss to cause it all to break down. Or if the line does its job, a tight end might lose his block.

It adds up to a lackluster preseason showing by the Redskins’ offense. The regular season is three weeks away, so panicking now wouldn’t be productive. Being concerned? Yes, that would be wise. In Saturday’s 21-17 loss to the Green Bay Packers, the Redskins’ run game was non-existent. This after a week in which coach Jay Gruden stressed its importance.

I like that the starting offense wanted to stay in the game, knowing they needed to generate something positive. They know what they must prove; it’s a good mindset to have. This isn’t about a group that doesn’t work hard; nobody does more work than the offensive line. At some point maybe this is just who they are: a group that pass protects well but is inconsistent blocking for the run. If you want to be called Hogs 2.0 -- again, I appreciate what and who they’re trying to emulate -- then you need to duplicate their success. Nicknames, in the end, are earned. Nobody knows that more than the players.

Two times it was left guard Shawn Lauvao who missed a block, leading to problems. Another time center Spencer Long stumbled and was unable to block the linebacker. Or tight end Niles Paul missed a block on the edge. And receiver Ryan Grant failed to obstruct the linebacker on another. And tight end Vernon Davis didn’t handle the corner in space on another. Last week Trent Williams missed one. Maybe running back Rob Kelley could help on some runs with an extra dash of patience. Other times, though, he’s being hit two yards deep.

“It just takes time and practice,” Williams said. “It takes growth. It doesn’t just boil down to the five people blocking. It takes everybody. If one guy misses a block, it can turn a play that’s a potential plus-10 to a minus-1. Those are the things we have to iron out and keep swinging and hopefully it will come through.”

Other observations about the No. 1 offense:

They’ll miss Pierre Garcon's penchant for tough catches. That doesn’t mean they can’t succeed without him, but that’s one area where he performed well. The Redskins’ starting offense had two drops (Ryan Grant and Vernon Davis) and another ball that was too high but one that Terrelle Pryor will need to catch in the regular season. Garcon provided an edge and was adept at running after the catch on screens. Green Bay’s receivers made the first man miss on those screens too often. On Washington’s one screen, Ryan Grant did not. Jamison Crowder has done so and will continue to do so.



They’ll need to be more balanced on first down in the regular season. Excluding the two-minute offense at the end of the first half Saturday, the starting offense has run 10 first-down plays this summer. Of those, seven have been runs -- and those have gained a combined eight yards. Gruden wants to establish a mindset on the ground and that should be applauded. He needs to see what they can do. But this offense will struggle if they run that much on first down (with no success). The bad part? They did what they should on a first-down run in the second quarter and went play-action -- using their tight bunch formation that usually signals run. But the play fake wasn’t great and didn’t cause the backside end to bite hard inside. Instead, he ran at Kirk Cousins running the boot. It caused a throwaway. Still, first-down passing will have to become a thing; it’ll help the run game. First-down play-action works well -- and it’s often the best time for receivers to make big plays. This is where the preseason is helpful, as long as lessons are learned.

Timing is everything. Cousins threw two excellent touch passes to running back Chris Thompson and tight end Vernon Davis. But he was off on some other throws -- the deep cross to Jamison Crowder; the fade to Davis in the end zone. On the latter, the play was there but Cousins just left it short. Contrast that with Aaron Rodgers' fade to Martellus Bennett for a touchdown. But Bennett also set it up well, freezing linebacker Zach Brown and then creating enough separation by cutting back outside so the throw didn’t have to be perfect (though it was close).

Receiver Josh Doctson will need to start. Grant is a terrific worker who runs excellent routes, can play any receiver spot and usually blocks well. He has yet to translate what the coaches see in practice into games, but Doctson provides big-play potential. He caught only one pass from Cousins, but it was for 12 yards on a slant in which he needed to let inside receiver Crowder clear his man. So that required patience; Doctson showed it and set his man up well to get free. He later made an athletic breakup of a deep ball. The coaches aren’t going to play Grant ahead of him if Doctson shows he’s ready -- and stays healthy. If Doctson conquers the latter, this becomes an easy call.

 

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skins dad you are good MOD those nut jobs at extreme skins forums at redskins .com they lock game threads as soon as the game is over and you cant even talk about the game after it is over thank you for your hard work and sharing all this info class act bro

thanks coach i try

 

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Analysis | Positive signs on Redskins’ mentality and four other observations from second preseason game

big take away here and one i noticed in my rewatch of the game . preston smith had 18 snaps 1 sack 1 pressure and 1 hurry . we can take that production

safety nicholson . this guy seemed to know where he should be was at the right place at the right time to make a play . and took good angles . some of those things were nocks against him in scouting reports so nice game by him

ionman and lanier are making nice jumps . ionman got a huge pressure in the game and when facing 6X pro bowler jahri evans on a run play he got off the block and made the tackle for a short gain . last year he couldnt do that much at all . could be a valuable Rotational guy for us . Lanier gets good pressure and allows others to make sacks . looks like we have 3 decent young d/lineman when you add allen to the mix

 

[Sportster 72]

Snap Counts: Redskins-Packers (2017 Preseason, Week 2)
snaps counts , nicholson and FM got some good work in

First-team problems: Redskins offense still has a long way to go

i think FM and perine had good games for the rookies as did nicholson

Agree about Fabian and Nicholson. Good to see them and I was encouraged by their play. I did not think FM was burned so much as that was a perfect pass. The only thing I though was he could have done a better job getting his arm up but he had the coverage. Good game by Carter when his head wasn't up his (_)_). I like the 2nd string line play and Perine. CT is just a football player. Why haven't we seen more from Pryor? Good to see a little of Doctson. Would like to see a lot less of Grant, like never ever again. No other receiver has stood out to me.

I don't know if we will have a good run offense when we start game planning but I am not worried about the passing game. I think we will move the ball.

My take on the 1st team on both sides of the ball was not great but we are playing so vanilla.

 

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davis caught 4 balls so he seems to be making a move up the board

 

[Stymietee]

Up—NT Phil Taylor not only is going to make this team, he likely will be the starting nose tackle. I would not have believed this at the beginning of training camp. But he has followed up a strong camp with two good preseason games. Tonight a sack for a nine-yard loss was his only tackle but he consistently did his job clogging up the middle. It could be a great story for a guy who has been out of the game for two years

I really like his motor, and agree that his could be the top story this year after being out of the game for so long. That is of course, provided that there's not another similar story in the name of Junior Gallette.

Down—QB Kirk Cousins finished with decent statistics but there is that thing about lies and damn lies. He was hesitant and inaccurate while going up against the Green Bay first team and the only scoring drive came against Packers backups. He is not one you should worry about but he does need to play better.

What's irksome is his penchant to throw high at times. This I'm sure is something that he'll overcome and is likely a reflection of adjusting to throwing to both bigger and smaller targets. That said, he has never mastered the ability to improvise and make something happen with his arm during broken plays. This was never more apparent than when he skipped a pass towards Kelly in the flat after scrambling from pressure.

Up—CB Fabian Moreau hustled down on the first two punts, helping create a turnover on one and stopping the returner dead in his tracks on another. He also played solid coverage in his first NFL game.

Doc played really well especially on special teams. There's a spot on this team for him.

Down—The starting O-line did not play well. The Redskins managed just 10 yards rushing in the first half, on 11 attempts. You can’t blame Rob Kelley for this since the line got no push. They need to put the Hogs 2.0 nickname back in the barn until they show they can get the job done.

Maybe and sadly, this was their best effort at this point of the pre-season. Maybe it wasn't, but there's no doubt that nothing good is going to happen without them playing well which is something that they have yet to do as a unit. It was one of my deep concerns going into this game. As we approach game 3, widely recognized throughout the league as THE DRESS REHERSAL game before the season begins, it remains a top concern.

Up—RB Samaje Perine bounced back from a nervous debut against the Ravens last week in a big way. He led the team in rushing with 45 yards on eight carries, looking more like the decisive back we saw a lot in training camp and not the tentative runner spotted in Baltimore. He also made a nice play in the receiving department, turning upfield after catching a wheel route and gaining 29 yards.

Glad to see that Perine made a nice recovery from last week's effort. I've followed this guy from high school and guarantee that he will get better with time. His blocking game appears to be one in which he merely gets in front of the tackler instead of attacking as he's done in school. This too will improve in time. He's no Mixon, but right now in terms of running, blocking and catching passes, he's head and shoulders above everyone else. (maybe only head above Thompson).

 

[Sportster 72]

davis caught 4 balls so he seems to be making a move up the board

True, I forgot about him.

 

[gkekoa]

They’ll miss Pierre Garcon's penchant for tough catches. That doesn’t mean they can’t succeed without him, but that’s one area where he performed well. The Redskins’ starting offense had two drops (Ryan Grant and Vernon Davis) and another ball that was too high but one that Terrelle Pryor will need to catch in the regular season. Garcon provided an edge and was adept at running after the catch on screens. Green Bay’s receivers made the first man miss on those screens too often. On Washington’s one screen, Ryan Grant did not. Jamison Crowder has done so and will continue to do so.

In a real game, there is no way they throw that to Grant. Pryor, Crowder, and Reed can all take a screen. It is far too early to make the statement they will miss Garçon. We haven't had Pryor, Doctson, JC, and Reed yet. I think they are holding Pryor back now because it is preseason. He will have a big game 1.

 

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In a real game, there is no way they throw that to Grant. Pryor, Crowder, and Reed can all take a screen. It is far too early to make the statement they will miss Garçon. We haven't had Pryor, Doctson, JC, and Reed yet. I think they are holding Pryor back now because it is preseason. He will have a big game 1.

i dont think we are showing anyone , anything of note right now .